The Babies of God

[CS1]

which local denomination and doctrine should one submit to ? Should we just head to the local church and put our faith in the pastor ? And I guess “ submit” to someone who may be preaching anything right or wrong ?

who decides who a pastor is ? How do we know our local church is being led by the word of God ? If denominations all teach pretty key differences , which one then should we believe is the one ?

I’m not sure that submitting to a local church is biblical , but submitting to Christ and believing the gospel is biblical and then finding a church that teaches and can help us grow in the faith .

did you realize that a pastor , according to the biblical design isn’t even supposed to be the one who speaks in church ????? That’s not what scripture taught when they are together to hear Gods word

it came in later as a tradition like the ot folks gathered together and began traditions

Gods design is for two or three prophets to stand and speak to the group . The pastor was the leader and organizer but was never meant to preach every week and have his own disciples like we’ve done in the world the church in scripture was inclusive of everyone each had thier place and roles

prophets , teachers , pastors , and on down the line all had thier place , gift and function in the church . it wasn’t as it is now that design has one man speaking and all the congregation listening and being forced to accept what he’s saying as truth

But what if he’s not called to speak and teach the word of God ? Shouldn’t we want church to look like it does in scripture before we go submitting to a group ?

I think cults get a lot of folks that way Jim jones was a local charismatic pastor who quoted a scripture here and there and then preached his message , people flooded to it.

they over a short time became devoted to thier pastor and their church group . Over a longer period of time listening to his sermons , he began to explain they no Longer needed the scriptures because they had him .

eventually he convinced them to drink poison coolaid first they gave it to thier children , then took it themselves . Those who refused were shot after they had all died he short himself .

they all believed from the beginning this local pastor was to be believed because he preached from a pulpit , in the End 918 children , women and men lay dead and it began at a local Christian church where they all blindly submitted and followed a Well spoken and well versed pastor

true story

Please answer the question I don't care what church one attend I was asking if one does and have they been disciples LOL

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Please answer the question I don't care what church one attend I was asking if one does and have they been disciples LOL

Disciples of who ?

 

[CS1]

Disciples of who ?

Discipled past tense You can place the who I'm asking if one has been.

JohanA comment below is unbiblical:

"God gave us Love as our Godly Existence together. Not "honor/respect". Because "honor/respect" is humans existence in the lack of Love.

 

[CS1]

which local denomination and doctrine should one submit to ? Should we just head to the local church and put our faith in the pastor ? And I guess “ submit” to someone who may be preaching anything right or wrong ?

who decides who a pastor is ? How do we know our local church is being led by the word of God ? If denominations all teach pretty key differences , which one then should we believe is the one ?

I’m not sure that submitting to a local church is biblical , but submitting to Christ and believing the gospel is biblical and then finding a church that teaches and can help us grow in the faith .

did you realize that a pastor , according to the biblical design isn’t even supposed to be the one who speaks in church ????? That’s not what scripture taught when they are together to hear Gods word

it came in later as a tradition like the ot folks gathered together and began traditions

Gods design is for two or three prophets to stand and speak to the group . The pastor was the leader and organizer but was never meant to preach every week and have his own disciples like we’ve done in the world the church in scripture was inclusive of everyone each had thier place and roles

prophets , teachers , pastors , and on down the line all had thier place , gift and function in the church . it wasn’t as it is now that design has one man speaking and all the congregation listening and being forced to accept what he’s saying as truth

But what if he’s not called to speak and teach the word of God ? Shouldn’t we want church to look like it does in scripture before we go submitting to a group ?

I think cults get a lot of folks that way Jim jones was a local charismatic pastor who quoted a scripture here and there and then preached his message , people flooded to it.

they over a short time became devoted to thier pastor and their church group . Over a longer period of time listening to his sermons , he began to explain they no Longer needed the scriptures because they had him .

eventually he convinced them to drink poison coolaid first they gave it to thier children , then took it themselves . Those who refused were shot after they had all died he short himself .

they all believed from the beginning this local pastor was to be believed because he preached from a pulpit , in the End 918 children , women and men lay dead and it began at a local Christian church where they all blindly submitted and followed a Well spoken and well versed pastor

true story

if you don't know who I was speaking to maybe you should look up

 

[posthuman]

Discipled past tense You can place the who I'm asking if one has been.

JohanA comment below is unbiblical:

"God gave us Love as our Godly Existence together. Not "honor/respect". Because "honor/respect" is humans existence in the lack of Love.

​

Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another​

(Romans 12:10)​

​

yes, the Bible seems to say honor and respect are an expression of unhypocritical love
we should be trying to outdo each other in this -- i'll start; @CS1 you added a better part to the thread than i did ♥

 

[oyster67]

yes, the Bible seems to say honor and respect are an expression of unhypocritical love
we should be trying to outdo each other in this -- i'll start; @CS1 you added a better part to the thread than i did ♥

@JohanA I love, respect, and honor your desire to have us all grow in knowledge and grace and become adult meat eaters in the Body of Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Discipled past tense You can place the who I'm asking if one has been.

JohanA comment below is unbiblical:

"God gave us Love as our Godly Existence together. Not "honor/respect". Because "honor/respect" is humans existence in the lack of Love.

. We honor our parents because we love them . We don’t honor them in order to love them .

I think he’s saying we needed the commandment honor before we possessed Christ's love but when you have his love that is imparted through the gospel , that becomes the source

what he’s saying I sort of think is in this realm of thought

“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment,

it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I have to work to honor someone it’s not coming from love where we need to be centered is what I gathered after I read what he was saying

But that’s just what I got from the original discussion and his post you quoted from there . Sometimes I think we say things others don’t understand how we’re saying it rather than what they are saying is false we have different ways of articulating our thoughts

 

[JohanA]

Hi JohanA,

Thanks for answering back, you've had a few posts to answer.



1) So are you now saying that God is laughing at and holds them (Christians) in derision?

2) What is another characteristic of God in relation to what you stated above. (you are not very clear here).


It is often that when someone is not being clear in so many posts they are hiding something... Or just trying to be smart.

 

[JohanA]

Vain flattery and feigned 'respect' is indeed a poor substitute for brotherly love.

Even if it is "honestly" done it is still human existence and not God's Existence in His Love.

 

[JohanA]

Hi JohanA,

Thanks for answering back, you've had a few posts to answer.

Yep.

1) So are you now saying that God is laughing at and holds them (Christians) in derision?

God is laughing at evil. When it is from His Children they perceive the Sword of God. But as Discipline in Love. Opening new Growth to them. Those that are not His Children perceive the Judgment of a Righteous God.

2) What is another characteristic of God in relation to what you stated above. (you are not very clear here).

I am actually not able to make it "clear". Because human intellect can not fathom God. I am just explaining what others "Feel". And giving the verse for it. To "understand" this "clearly" will only be a reality when someone enters into this realm of Gods Discipline and Judgement in Jesus.

Jesus also operated in this Anointing.

Luke 16
9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

It is often that when someone is not being clear in so many posts they are hiding something... Or just trying to be smart.

Yep. But all "hiding" or "deceit" in trying to be "smart" will always be Revealed by God to His Children. He does not allow for them to be deceived. Only when they want to.

Mark 4
22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

 

[JohanA]

Psalms
2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],
2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Obviously it is our enemies He has in derision.

He is Spiritual and the battle is Spiritual. It is His Anointing when spiritual evil comes to Him or His Child who is Anointed to fight it.

Eph. 12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[JohanA]

I serve the WORD, the One who is found from Creation to Final Judgement. Yahweh, Elohim, I AM, Son of Man, Yeshua [made flesh]. I serve my Father, whose WILL I desire to follow. I serve my God understanding His [Purpose] for me by the Holy Spirit that lives within the Chambers of my being. This is the One God that I serve!

I am sure nobody disagree. But reality shows that mostly everyone disagrees even when they agree with what you said.

Agreed, as long as all Members are serving and following the Will of the [same] God. If we're serving the [same] God, we automatically will edify one another's spirit.

And here you prove what i just said. The Babies like their "strife". Even if they "agree". Because of being Babies.

 

[CS1]

​

Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another​

(Romans 12:10)​

​

yes, the Bible seems to say honor and respect are an expression of unhypocritical love
we should be trying to outdo each other in this -- i'll start; @CS1 you added a better part to the thread than i did ♥

You are too kind, I will say for the sake of argument I could be wrong

 

[CS1]

. We honor our parents because we love them . We don’t honor them in order to love them .

I think he’s saying we needed the commandment honor before we possessed Christ's love but when you have his love that is imparted through the gospel , that becomes the source

what he’s saying I sort of think is in this realm of thought

“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment,

it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I have to work to honor someone it’s not coming from love where we need to be centered is what I gathered after I read what he was saying

But that’s just what I got from the original discussion and his post you quoted from there . Sometimes I think we say things others don’t understand how we’re saying it rather than what they are saying is false we have different ways of articulating our thoughts

I would say this, it was God who said to "Honor your mother and father" the is the first Commandment with Promise. That your life will be long upon the land. Matthew 19:19.

The Idea one has to work to honor the person, speaks it is not in your heart to do so, and you should not do it.

 

[JohanA]

“For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;

This is of course another "rebuke" in the same line. After some time you become "teachers". If you are not then there is a problem with you or your "fellowship" or both of you.

Thanks.

and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

Yep. We need to get "skilful" in Righteousness of God. Then we are "Teachers". Or one of the Five Fold Ministries. This is how they get to be that. No college diploma or university degrees can give this. Only God does it by Revelation and Creation through that Revelation His Righteouness in His Children by The Word in Jesus. Then we are not "Babies" anymore. And then we don't perceive our "group" vs other "groups" anymore. Then we just see "Babies" and "Teachers". And when we Live Righteousness then we are Pastors. And not Babies anymore. And thus the True Pastors and Teachers and Evangelists and Prophets and Apostles manifests now by the Creation through the Word. And not by the intellectual qualification from an institute.

In this realm we escaped the evil bonds of strife in the various groups. Although we are still in them we are "raptured" out from between them spiritually.



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“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection

We have now entered the Realm of "Perfection". Where we perceive the Character of God being Created in us by The Word in Jesus.

2 Peter 1

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neitherbe barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

In this realm the last stages of our Perfection becomes now a Possibility. When we are ready to get our "Mind of Christ" and our Identity of Christ.

1 Cor. 2

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

And now Judgment and Ruling Authority in Jesus becomes the next step to enter.

1 Cor. 6
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Where God creates the Wisdom of Him in such a person to be able to Judge and Rule. Which is also in Christ given to God's Adult Children.

1 Cor. 1
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

As those still having to grow can obviously not keep themselves busy with Judging and Ruling.

And God's Adults start to experience God opening Proverbs to them. Where it was given to Solomon as a Gift but to God's Children as part of their Adult Character.

Proverbs 8
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:*n4
21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

And the very intimate Relationship of Bride and Wife is now being Created. Where we enter Companionship with God as His Bride and Wife. Because we are Adults. And as Adults God is still the Head of His Family and His Wife. And the Song of Solomon is now being Revealed and Created.

Song of Solomon 1
1 The song of songs, which is Solomon’s.
2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.*n1
3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.
4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee

In all of this the "elders" need to assist the Babies and the younger and older Children of God to grow. As we exists together as God's Family in Love. Where all are an essential part of God's Family.

1 Peter 5

1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

 

[JohanA]

I don't care if y'all think I'm a love hippie. Everybody needs to show a little more love, grace, and kindness and stand down.

Ephesians
4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Then your Father is the Greatest Love Hippie. Enjoy the most Powerful Force in the World.

Song of Solomon 8
6 ¶Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

And every evil will be conquered by God's Powerful Existence in Love.

Rom. 12

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[CS1]

This is of course another "rebuke" in the same line. After some time you become "teachers". If you are not then there is a problem with you or your "fellowship" or both of you.

Thanks.



Yep. We need to get "skilful" in Righteousness of God. Then we are "Teachers". Or one of the Five Fold Ministries. This is how they get to be that. No college diploma or university degrees can give this. Only God does it by Revelation and Creation through that Revelation His Righteouness in His Children by The Word in Jesus. Then we are not "Babies" anymore. And then we don't perceive our "group" vs other "groups" anymore. Then we just see "Babies" and "Teachers". And when we Live Righteousness then we are Pastors. And not Babies anymore. And thus the True Pastors and Teachers and Evangelists and Prophets and Apostles manifests now by the Creation through the Word. And not by the intellectual qualification from an institute.

In this realm we escaped the evil bonds of strife in the various groups. Although we are still in them we are "raptured" out from between them spiritually.



‭‭



We have now entered the Realm of "Perfection". Where we perceive the Character of God being Created in us by The Word in Jesus.

2 Peter 1

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neitherbe barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

In this realm the last stages of our Perfection becomes now a Possibility. When we are ready to get our "Mind of Christ" and our Identity of Christ.

1 Cor. 2

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

And now Judgment and Ruling Authority in Jesus becomes the next step to enter.

1 Cor. 6
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Where God creates the Wisdom of Him in such a person to be able to Judge and Rule. Which is also in Christ given to God's Adult Children.

1 Cor. 1
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

As those still having to grow can obviously not keep themselves busy with Judging and Ruling.

And God's Adults start to experience God opening Proverbs to them. Where it was given to Solomon as a Gift but to God's Children as part of their Adult Character.

Proverbs 8
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:*n4
21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

And the very intimate Relationship of Bride and Wife is now being Created. Where we enter Companionship with God as His Bride and Wife. Because we are Adults. And as Adults God is still the Head of His Family and His Wife. And the Song of Solomon is now being Revealed and Created.

Song of Solomon 1
1 The song of songs, which is Solomon’s.
2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.*n1
3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.
4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee

In all of this the "elders" need to assist the Babies and the younger and older Children of God to grow. As we exists together as God's Family in Love. Where all are an essential part of God's Family.

1 Peter 5

1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

to be a teacher one must be teachable. Having knowledge doesn't make one a teacher no more than flying on a plane makes one a pilot.
It is a Gifting even to the church FROM the HOLY Spirit as 1cor chapter 12 states, not self appointed.

 

[CS1]

Then your Father is the Greatest Love Hippie. Enjoy the most Powerful Force in the World.

Song of Solomon 8
6 ¶Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

And every evil will be conquered by God's Powerful Existence in Love.

Rom. 12

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I got one simple question for you, if you are willing to answer?

Who is Jesus to you ?

 

[JohanA]

This has been a problem in BDF for a long time. I too have been guilty.

Those that can reject their human pride in themselves to be humble enough to confess their faults are healed. The prideful will stay "ill".

James 5
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

 

[CS1]

Those that can reject their human pride in themselves to be humble enough to confess their faults are healed. The prideful will stay "ill".

James 5
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

You did not answer my question Who is Jesus to you ?