The Babies of God

[JohanA]

After reading your posts you are very confrontational and rude.

You missed this Characteristic of God.

Psalm 2
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

Those here have been respectful to your post yet, you are pointed.

The Word of God is sharp like a Sword.

Hebrews 4
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The Thread title and comments from you are unclear,

That is why we are discussing it. And eventually some will see.

yet you have a preconceived outcome that we are unaware of and you have an issue with it.

judging prematurely is not True Judgement of God.

Mat. 7

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Yet your assertion here:

"Presently we have the "Babies of God" in their various groups and denominations. All controlled by an evil spirit of strife."

Who determined all controlled by an evil spirit and strife?

Obviously it is God.

Paul in 1cor 3 is speaking to the immaturity of new believers and to those who are not maturing over time as they should.

And where do you see the "new believers"? But I do agree with those that are not maturing as they should.

"Behave like men" carnality is immaturity.
Paul has come to give them more insight into the word of God but they were unable to receive it YET because they were worldly or carnal and immature.

I totally agree. These are disobedient Children of God. Striving with others. And thus Disciplined by God to stay Babies if they do not get out from that evil spirit controlling them.

 

[JohanA]

Do you have a Scripture verse for this?

Since Jesus died for them it would seem they are worth dying for.

Sure. It is all in the Scripture I gave. Babies are Babies while they could have been Adults. They are saved Babies of God. With the whole Life of God ahead of them. Which they do not grow in.

 

[JohanA]

We wish you a warm welcome to CC, Johan. You have gotten off to a rough start, but tomorrow is a brand new day!

Thanks for the "pastor" Gift. Which is the Power to teach with your Example. While most "pastors" diminished the Gift to a mere title in front of their names. For the sake of honor. They have their reward.

Your Gift as "pastor" came forth in showing me your "pic". I also believe in them. Just didn't know I can use it here. You helped with that. We are also like our Father into Revealing ourselves and not hiding away in strange "pics".


John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[KingdomBrat]

Sure. It is all in the Scripture I gave. Babies are Babies while they could have been Adults. They are saved Babies of God. With the whole Life of God ahead of them. Which they do not grow in.

God wants everyone who [hears] His call to Accept Him. Only a few do. God has plans for them to help spread the [Gospel]. At this point, some people get shy and find it hard and they get into a place where they remain until they go to their Maker. It's those who get past rejection and fear of rejection that God is able to minister to the Lost. All humans are [created] equal. Some allow the stumbling blocks in their minds to thwart their progression in God's Plan for them. Others thankfully, will use those stumbling blocks as motivational points and seek God's Strength to continue on. They never think about quitting. They are like everyone else, surviving the storms.

 

[JohanA]

Do you consider yourself to be one of these "evil strife babies" that "ain't much"?

I am part of them but not of them. We are on the world but not of the world.

If so, then I am impressed by your humble spirit, Johan.

This Characteristic of God's Holy Spirit is mentioned here.

Psalm 2
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

And my "Humbleness" is in admitting it is from God and not myself. Giving the Glory to God alone.

As for me, I'm a child of the King, and I think that is a pretty big deal.

Sure. But manifesting the Life of the King is what that is all about. Entering the Anointing of Jude and King. In the Wisdom of God. Which is also given in The Word of Jesus.

1 Cor. 1

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

To Solomon it was given as a Gift. To us as part of our Godly Character in Christ. As the Child of God. Growing up. And entering Wisdom in Adult Existence.

Proverbs 8
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:*n4
21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

 

[JohanA]

I honestly didn't know that is why I asked I didn't assume your motives

Ok. Now i know. That is why I asked.

 

[JohanA]

Painting all Christians with this broad brush and using the term *babies* is neither fair not accurate.

Seems you have no evidence for the contrary?

You need to focus on yourself and leave the others to God.

Seems Paul didn't heed your advice?

Do we even know if you hold to sound doctrine, since most cultists paint all other churches with the same broad brush and yet fail to understand or hold to Bible truth?

Don't worry. I am not going to hide away Word of God to give you Spiritual Growth. I just hope you will be one of those that can receive it.

 

[Dino246]

Long in a forum does not mean you have Spiritual Discernment. And a "veteran" in time does not mean you are an "elder" in Spirit. ...

I read through your post. I'm trying to help you get along with others here. Clearly you don't want to learn.

You know nothing about the people here, so your insults are laughably irrelevant. Go and get yourself straightened out. You are a terrible representative of Jesus, if indeed you represent Him at all.

 

[KingdomBrat]

Obviously it is God.

Who is [God] to you and what message from God are you supposed to be giving to the members of this Site?

 

[CS1]

You missed this Characteristic of God.

Psalm 2
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.





The Word of God is sharp like a Sword.

Hebrews 4
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.




That is why we are discussing it. And eventually some will see.



judging prematurely is not True Judgement of God.

Mat. 7

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.





Obviously it is God.




And where do you see the "new believers"? But I do agree with those that are not maturing as they should.



I totally agree. These are disobedient Children of God. Striving with others. And thus Disciplined by God to stay Babies if they do not get out from that evil spirit controlling them.

I will just say this. One should not have to attack those who are perceived to be immature, for the purpose of elevating the lack of maturity they display. You have used the word of God to justify your ill- behavior and taken the word of God out of context and have pridefully inserted yourself.


This error. it is ok because we always get those like yourself suffering from some kind of cognitive dilemma, and we are praying for you as we speak.

 

[CS1]

Long in a forum does not mean you have Spiritual Discernment. And a "veteran" in time does not mean you are an "elder" in Spirit.

1 Tim. 5
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.




"New" to you does not mean I have to "act" as if I am a Baby in God. Because an act is dishonesty. Which you want me to do.




We don't live in the respect of the humans but the Superior Life of God in Love.

John 5
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Give up your "respect" for the Love of God. And you will have Life.





I can never go back to my "vomit" again.

2 Peter 2
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.




We are not into "reason" or the intellect of man. But Spirit of God. Thus those in "reason" will not understand.

1 Cor. 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.





The "natural man" is doing this. And we accept those also in Love. Some of them change and become Spiritual too.



The natural man and his judgments is of no importance to the Children of God. They can not be 'judged of man"

1 Cor. 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.




Only in the mind of the "natural man" threats has an importance.

Eph. 6
9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

As suffering a "ban" from the natural man is a Great Joy to the Child of God. Because it was done for His Dad.

Luke 6
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate youfrom their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.




The bottom line of our nice chat is that you are a perfect example of the Babies of God that are under that evil spirit of strife and unable to grow. Which you can now reject of course.

It's your choice.

"We don't live in the respect of the humans but the Superior Life of God in Love."

This comment is unbiblical we are to respect and even esteem those who are not saved better than we do ourselves. You are needing to learn the lesson of the servant.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Hmmmm, I seem to recall a recent poster who claimed that some of us "didn't know anything".

 

[posthuman]

reminded me --

​

the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.​

(Isaiah 65:20 niv)​

 

[pottersclay]

What does the 2nd pslam have to do with babies?????.....anyone?

 

[Dino246]

What does the 2nd pslam have to do with babies?????.....anyone?

Nada. Nuttin'. Zip.

 

[posthuman]

Yep. The Babies of God does not have Discernment. Actually it is another Characteristic of God.

Psalm 2

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

forgive my idiocy but i want to make sure i'm understanding you correctly,

you think the 'babes in Christ' of 1 Corinthians 3 are vain, raging kings and peoples who take counsel against the LORD and His Anointed, thinking to break Their supposed 'bonds' in pieces and cast them away? ((Psalm 2:1-3))

 

[MattforJesus]

Presently we have the "Babies of God" in their various groups and denominations. All controlled by an evil spirit of strife. And all busy with their various doctrines. They don't know much and they are not much.

Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

I would not worry about belittling anyone claiming Christ but help them to do better.

After reading many of your posts you appear to be arrogant, but God does not like it.

 

[Dino246]

@JohanA: I see you're from South Africa. Are you connected in any way with New Covenant Ministries International?

 

[infinitekhanol]

Presently we have the "Babies of God" in their various groups and denominations. All controlled by an evil spirit of strife. And all busy with their various doctrines. They don't know much and they are not much.


1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase

What I see here apart from the babes in Christ is that this quote buttresses the fact that Man is not intrinsically flesh (carnal) but his behavioural pattern could give rise to flesh and make him so.

When we understand this clearly, our outlook and attitude towards sin would change and we will be able to be the spiritual beings (without sin) our Father created us to be. As St Paul enjoins us in Hebrews 6:1 -3, we will be able to move beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ and move unto perfection and fulfil the mandate of our Father as He enjoins us to be Holy and Perfect as He is.

To be Perfect as used here means:

1. to be holy and without blame in love Ephesians 1:4
2. to be filled with the fullness of God Ephesians 3:19
3. to reach unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ Ephesians 4:13
4. reaching that state of spirituality where there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither bond nor free, neither male nor female for we are all one in Christ Jesus Galatia 3: 23
5. complete in God. Since we derive our completeness in God, we reach that state where we receive his fullness.
6, etc

 

[JohanA]

God wants everyone who [hears] His call to Accept Him.

Sure. God died for all.

John 3
16 ¶For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Only a few do.

Yep.

God has plans for them to help spread the [Gospel].

Yep. But God's Greatest desire is for them to grow up in His Life as their Father.


1 Peter 2
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

At this point, some people get shy and find it hard and they get into a place where they remain until they go to their Maker.

The Babies of God are still very carnal and need to grow to enter God's Boldness.

It's those who get past rejection and fear of rejection that God is able to minister to the Lost.

It is not the most important thing to "minister to the lost". But rather to grow as a Baby of God and not stagnate as a Baby. The further we grow the Greater our Witness to a lost world.

All humans are [created] equal.

Yep. And all humans need to die and be born again from God to be a Child of God.

Some allow the stumbling blocks in their minds to thwart their progression in God's Plan for them.

Yep. I agree.

Others thankfully, will use those stumbling blocks as motivational points and seek God's Strength to continue on. They never think about quitting. They are like everyone else, surviving the storms.

But they should not forget to grow up. As you get Born again as a Baby of God and to grow up to reach Adult Life of God.

Eph. 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children,