Biblical tithing
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Neither Cain nor Abel "tithed". Noah didn't tithe. Abraham gave a tenth of the war spoils to Melchizedek, but never tithed to the Lord. Isaac never tithed. Jacob promised to tithe, but there is no evidence that he ever did so. Although it is likely that Moses and Joshua tithed, nothing in Scripture specifically states that they did so.
That's simply not correct. You can give five percent, but you cannot tithe five percent. You can give twenty percent, but you cannot tithe twenty percent. The meaning of the word simply does not allow it. Tithe means tenth; either ordinal or fractional.
By conflating them, you confuse yourself, and when you teach that to others, you confuse them too. What you do is cause confusion about whether Christians are under the old covenant law; we most definitely aren't.
By conflating them, you confuse yourself, and when you teach that to others, you confuse them too. What you do is cause confusion about whether Christians are under the old covenant law; we most definitely aren't.
I know what the word tithe means. there is no tithe if you do not give what is the Lords that is the point the tenth could be 5, 10, or 20 % the act of Obedience is what is important. Lambasting what God said HE was being rob of in Malachi.
The context is giving and it is a valid application.
The context is giving and it is a valid application.
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You claim to know what the word means, but in the next sentence, you contradict the meaning.
I'm not "lambasting" anything (and apparently you don't know what that word means either); Malachi was talking about the practice of bringing agricultural products according to the Law, not money according to generosity.
I'm not "lambasting" anything (and apparently you don't know what that word means either); Malachi was talking about the practice of bringing agricultural products according to the Law, not money according to generosity.
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Mal 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
He was also speaking to :
Are you saying none of Malachi applies to us today? Because it was written to Israel?
The context doesn't end at the end of a verse or a chapter all the time.
The very opening verse says "The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. "
Are you suggesting none of what we see in CHAPTER 1 -4 IS APPLICABLE to the Church today?
Are you saying offerings given today with a bad heart, or not with sincerity is ok with God because we are not Jews? I guess ole Ananias and Sapphira in Acts Chapter 4 can not be seen with any application to Malachi?
He was also speaking to :
- polluted Offerings chapter 1
- Corrupt Preist Chapter 2
- Infidelity Chapter 2
- The coming messenger Chapter 3
- Do Not Rob God Chapter 3
- A Book of remembrance Chapter 3
- The Great Day of God Chapter 4
Are you saying none of Malachi applies to us today? Because it was written to Israel?
The context doesn't end at the end of a verse or a chapter all the time.
The very opening verse says "The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. "
Are you suggesting none of what we see in CHAPTER 1 -4 IS APPLICABLE to the Church today?
Are you saying offerings given today with a bad heart, or not with sincerity is ok with God because we are not Jews? I guess ole Ananias and Sapphira in Acts Chapter 4 can not be seen with any application to Malachi?
I am saying that, as Christians, we are not subject to the terms of the Sinai covenant, part of which is the instructions on tithing. Malachi was written to Israel, not to the Church.
The story of Ananias and Sapphira has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Malachi, for they weren't tithing and they weren't offering a spoiled animal. Their issue was entirely one of dishonesty and collusion.
Offerings are not tithes, period.
The story of Ananias and Sapphira has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Malachi, for they weren't tithing and they weren't offering a spoiled animal. Their issue was entirely one of dishonesty and collusion.
Offerings are not tithes, period.
I disagree. obedience is the main context of Malachi. You think the only application in this writing is to the jews and priests?
Your opinion, of Acts 4 has to do greatly with those who purposefully desire to give then, gave not their best.
Dishonesty and lack of obedience and faith which they thought it was ok to give to God the sick the lame and blind offerings
God today no more will accept what we give if it is without faith and obedience. You only see the letter of the law, not the moral context and application to what Offended God.
Your opinion, of Acts 4 has to do greatly with those who purposefully desire to give then, gave not their best.
Dishonesty and lack of obedience and faith which they thought it was ok to give to God the sick the lame and blind offerings
God today no more will accept what we give if it is without faith and obedience. You only see the letter of the law, not the moral context and application to what Offended God.
I will gladly respond to comments on what I DID say, but not to those on what I did not say. Please don't put words in my mouth, and please don't make assumptions. For context, watch Jordan Peterson's interview with Cathy Newman. See how she twists his statements, and he continually says, "I didn't say that". Please don't be a Cathy.
Then why didn't Peter say, "You have chosen not to give your best", but he did say, "You have lied to the Holy Spirit"? Also, it's Acts 5, not 4.
God will accept offerings no matter how they are given. Those offerings may bring no reward though; Jesus addresses similar ideas in Matthew 5.
I see both the letter and the spirit. A&S lied about their offering.
As long as you conflate offerings and tithes, this conversation is going to be fruitless. Tithes (under the Law) were never voluntary. There was never a requirement outside of the Law to submit tithes to anyone. Tithes were payable on agricultural increase, not on earned wages. The principles for Christian generosity are clearly laid out in the New Testament writings, and "tithing" is not among them.
Then why didn't Peter say, "You have chosen not to give your best", but he did say, "You have lied to the Holy Spirit"? Also, it's Acts 5, not 4.
God will accept offerings no matter how they are given. Those offerings may bring no reward though; Jesus addresses similar ideas in Matthew 5.
I see both the letter and the spirit. A&S lied about their offering.
As long as you conflate offerings and tithes, this conversation is going to be fruitless. Tithes (under the Law) were never voluntary. There was never a requirement outside of the Law to submit tithes to anyone. Tithes were payable on agricultural increase, not on earned wages. The principles for Christian generosity are clearly laid out in the New Testament writings, and "tithing" is not among them.
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it was not called the tithe at that time dear brother 
If you look in the Hebrew for the words Offering, gift, tithe You will see a normative:
Well before God gave to Moses the term Tithe he said concerning these things what are they a name for acow or goat?
shekels? wHAT DOES lEV 27:17-19 TALKING ABOUT?
If you look in the Hebrew for the words Offering, gift, tithe You will see a normative:- Offering =gift, tribute, offering, present, oblation, sacrifice, meat offering
- Gift = offerings consecrate, dedicate, pay wages, sell, exchange, lend,
- Tithe= tenth of what? = oser =wealth, riches
Well before God gave to Moses the term Tithe he said concerning these things what are they a name for acow or goat?
shekels? wHAT DOES lEV 27:17-19 TALKING ABOUT?
Okay, here's my answer: No.
I didn't say you were conflating the conversation. I said you were conflating the concepts.
Proper biblical interpretation does not begin with the assumption that the entire Mosaic Law is applicable to Christians and then start looking for specific exclusions. The Bible tells us that Christ came to fulfill (make complete) the Law. It tells us that adding adherence to the Law to faith in Christ is not God's intention for believers. It tells us that the old covenant is obsolete and that we are under a new covenant built on better promises.
The requirement to submit tithes is a requirement of the Mosaic Law. Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, and are no more required to submit tithes than they are to live in booths for a week, attend the Temple three times a year, or slaughter cows for their atonement.
Please, don't argue further; instead, go and study the Scripture on these matters. See whether there is any instruction given specifically to Christians regarding the paying of tithes (there isn't). Let what Scripture does teach inform your understanding.
I didn't say you were conflating the conversation. I said you were conflating the concepts.
Proper biblical interpretation does not begin with the assumption that the entire Mosaic Law is applicable to Christians and then start looking for specific exclusions. The Bible tells us that Christ came to fulfill (make complete) the Law. It tells us that adding adherence to the Law to faith in Christ is not God's intention for believers. It tells us that the old covenant is obsolete and that we are under a new covenant built on better promises.
The requirement to submit tithes is a requirement of the Mosaic Law. Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, and are no more required to submit tithes than they are to live in booths for a week, attend the Temple three times a year, or slaughter cows for their atonement.
Please, don't argue further; instead, go and study the Scripture on these matters. See whether there is any instruction given specifically to Christians regarding the paying of tithes (there isn't). Let what Scripture does teach inform your understanding.
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