I think you are under the deception of satan friend. Theres a world that doesnt have its sins charged to them 2 Cor 5:19 and a world that does 1 Cor 11:32 that confirms limited atonement.
Sins cannot be charged!
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I believe there is only one 'world ' and God so loved it , reconciled it by dying for it. He did it all . Now all can come . But unless they do they will not be glorified. Satan is trying to prevent people from seeing that Jesus has reconciled the world..and calvinism is helping him .
world
noun
UK
/wɜːld/ US
/wɝːld/
world noun (THE EARTH)
A1 [ S ]
the earth and all the people, places, and things on it:
Different parts of the world have very different climatic conditions.
Which bridge has the longest span in the world?
News of the disaster shocked the (whole/entire) world.
We live in a changing world and people must learn to adapt.
She's a world authority on foetal development.
a world record/championship
More examples
- People from different cultures have different conceptions of the world.
- The richer countries of the world should take concerted action to help the poorer countries.
- I'm flirting with the idea of taking a year off and travelling round the world.
- He's one of the highest-earning professional golfers in the world.
- The museum's collection includes works of art from all around the world.
1 John 2:2
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD .”
Thats how you are deceived. You confused about world in scripture usage. Theres a World God so Loved and gave Christ for Jn 3:16 then theres a world Christ would not pray for, showing is wasnt the object of His Love Jn 17:9.
The world that Christ loved, His Church Eph 5:25 is the world that God will not charge with sin 2 Cor 5:19, the world Christ refrained from praying for, is the condemned world of 1 Cor 11:32.
lol, none of that helps you. 1 Jn 2:2 is the World of the Elect, its the World that God doesnt charge with sin 2 Cor 5:19
1 John 2:2
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
What your saying is that the bible cannot be read without an interpreter . How much clear could you possibly want a verse which flat out refutes limited atonement. The Holy Spirit knew there would be gnosctism ( Augustine ) and created this very verse to refute it .
What verse would you use that you think does mean the world? Could you give one ?
Jesus is the elect..Israel as God's firstborn son is the elect . Did Jesus die for himself?
Which verse does mean world
to you ? As in the whole earth and all its inhabitants? which verse please ?- World meaning “Earth”
- 2 Peter 2:5 “And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly”
- World meaning “Sin”
- 2 Peter 2:20 “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.”
- 1 John 2:15-17 ” Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
- World meaning all “People” or “Society”
- 1 John 2:2 “He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”
- John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
- World meaning “Unbelievers of Christ”
- 1 John 3:1 “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.”
- 1 John 3:13 “Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.”
- World meaning “Physical possessions”
- 1 John 3:17 “But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?”
- World meaning “The After Life”
- Luke 18:30 “Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.”
Is everytime the " world ' shows up ,is this the " elect ' ( Calvinist version of ' elect to salvation, that is) ?
Romans 10:13
New International Version
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
New Living Translation
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”
English Standard Version
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Berean Study Bible
for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Berean Literal Bible
for, "Whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
King James Bible
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
New King James Version
For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Whosoever means everyone and anyone. I would include more "whosoever" scriptures, but most of you would probably be cross-eyed before you read them all.
New International Version
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
New Living Translation
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”
English Standard Version
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Berean Study Bible
for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Berean Literal Bible
for, "Whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
King James Bible
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
New King James Version
For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Whosoever means everyone and anyone. I would include more "whosoever" scriptures, but most of you would probably be cross-eyed before you read them all.
case in point, thanks for demonstrating.
the Bible says He tasted death for "every man"
the Bible says He gave Himself the atonement for "not only for (believers), but also for the whole world"
you reject that, claiming it says the opposite of what it says.
so, no, dude, you definitely do not "go with what it says" -- you go with what you say, or rather, what your teachers have taught you, instead of what the scripture actually says.
i think you should just admit it.
and the really messed up thing?
there's not any harm to your belief in reformed theology. the atonement is still limited and salvation is still unrevokable - it is only that He holds out His hands, willing to rescue and redeem all who will come to Him, to give whosoever may thirst or hunger, water and bread without cost, so that they will be filled -- but it is only the elect of God, foreknown & predestined, who come. the atonement is not limited by God's willingness but by man's unwillingness. you do not have to constantly, brazenly reject the Word of God in order to hold onto those beliefs; you just have to admit you were wrong and that God's workings are more complex than what you originally believed them to be. it's to His glory
I dont follow you. There are two worlds in view.2 Cor 5:19 the World of the Elect, no sin charged to it, then the condemned world 1 Cor 11:32 which has its sins charged to it, thats why its condemned.
No I think it says the whole world of left handed people ,prove me wrong ? It doesn't say only left handed people . Nor does it say ' the world of elect '
( of course when i say ' elect ' I mean ' service)
You keep using this strange term ' world of elect ' without justification . Which verse says this ' world of elect ' .
' World ' is not positive. Its bad . Thats how the bible uses it . You've invented a phrase to make the bible say what you want . Which is bad .