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What is Calvinism?
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Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
So you really are all about smoke and mirrors. There is no substance to your arguments.
The T is supported by scripture when properly applied.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Why do you need to affiliate yourself with the T ? Can we not just use the scriptures? I argue that we can throw our all 5 points and we understand the bible just fine . They are useless and deceptive teachings .
Genesis 3:6
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
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Isaiah 64:6
6 We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
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Romans 3:9ff
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
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Matthew 7:17-18
17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
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By Grace Through Faith
2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
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Isaiah 64:6
6 We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
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Romans 3:9ff
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
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Matthew 7:17-18
17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
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By Grace Through Faith
2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Your post stream shows page upon page of you posting in Calvinist threads...
one in particular, Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot: some pages show posts made
only to that thread. So twenty posts in a row more than once to a single thread...
You are welcome
you know not all Calvinists are living or believing in error some of them are actually very holy spirit filled and very deep in love and there are some teachings in Calvinism that holds truth to it
Honestly I think if you are willing to see it you can glean truth from almost any denomination I believe they all hold a piece to the puzzle, but we look to the heart not the denomination or teaching or rather we should judge a person by the love they show first
I agree. Its something a believer gets into after they are saved . We are responsible for the doctrines we adhere to . No one is saved through ' Calvinism '. No one can mature in their understanding of the bible through Calvinsm. Its a separate philosophy that is based on the scriptures in some sense . Its a particular worldview that is not strictly a biblical worldview.
I see different degrees. Some don't fully understand calvinism even though they may attend a reformed church . Some think that it's just 'OSAS ' or its a safe haven from the 'crazies ' down at the charismatic church and perfer the sensible teaching of well dressed suits of the likes of Macarthur, washer, Piper ect and feel this must be more 'authentic ' holy and righteous by comparison. I know many in this camp . These are your regular pew sitters . Then you get the cage stagers and die hard s . Which is a different thing .
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eternally-gratefull
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Ps, I do not like and am totally against fatalism, so I am not pro calvinist
but you have proven you know very little about true calvinism, even when a calvinist tries to show you you tell them they are wrong
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Scribe
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When someone asks me about Calvinism I ask them if they have read "Institutes of the Christian Religion" If they say 'no,' I tell them I do not wish to discuss it until they have. And I tell them I do not think it is honest for them to think they can discuss it until they have.
If one did come back to me today and said, "I have read it now, would you like to discuss it?" I would have to say, "I cannot at this time since I am only page 39 myself."
I did purchase the audible.com version so that I can listen to it while shoveling snow and raking leaves. Maybe in a few more seasons I will be adequately informed in what John Calvin actually wrote in context and I will have an opinion on the matter.
If one did come back to me today and said, "I have read it now, would you like to discuss it?" I would have to say, "I cannot at this time since I am only page 39 myself."
I did purchase the audible.com version so that I can listen to it while shoveling snow and raking leaves. Maybe in a few more seasons I will be adequately informed in what John Calvin actually wrote in context and I will have an opinion on the matter.
No God saves by grace. Totally unmerited favor or pity that God has on men lost in sin and trespasses. This grace is received by faith but the faith required to receive is created by hearing Gods word.
God gives the light needed to see your need of salvation. It is Gods love for us that drives His mercy to draw us to Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
That is a sign of obsession. We do not need to obsessed with Calvinism -- pro or con. It is enough to point out that it is almost as bad as Catholic doctrine.
A careful reading of the Westminster Confession of Faith should suffice, since it is authoritative, whereas the Institutes are one man's ideas.
To be completely fair, there are also other doctrines in there which are perfectly acceptable to all Christians.
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eternally-gratefull
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A Catholic will most likely be lost
a calvinist most likely will be in heaven
ypu can’t even compair the two
catholic more resembles Arminianism that it does calvinism.
Well they are in different degrees personally it is the five point tulips I have the most concern about, there was a user on here but I think she either got banned or just hasn't returned for a long time by the username graceandtruth she was a five point tulip and I often would correct her on many things and when she would attack people I confronted her needless to say she did not like me but I still wanted to help her because while she may have her certain beliefs and we almost never agreed on any of them she lacked love in almost every way.
The four point tulips at least believed that God sent Jesus to die for all of us not for only some and everyone else can go to hell
But Calvinists are not in general ungodly people we can greatly disagree with each others views and beliefs but as I always say it is the heart that matters love is the one fruit to always look for so personally I don't really hold anyone's personal doctrines against them and yes I will argue my case of why I think they are wrong but I can't bring myself to make threads against them
To be honest the threads you are making about them isn't helping the church if anything it is only stirring the pot, I mean how many have said they were inspired or they saw the wisdom and love of God in your threads? Has anyone said you spoke to their hearts or that they by any means were enlightened by them?