Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[GaryA]

There are zero implications that any of the former dead are on the Earth with the living.

Well - yes there are.

However, I consider some of the things you have posted to be "food for thought" and will look into them.

For now, it has to rest.

For - now - I need to rest.

 

[ewq1938]

Well - yes there are.

However, I consider some of the things you have posted to be "food for thought" and will look into them.

Thank you. Goodnight.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Where does the 1,000 years below occur?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Huh? Kind of a question is this since I never mentioned 2 Pet 3:8. Why do you think this verse is relevant to the Millennial Reign of Christ?

However, the 1,000 years does occur right after the Tribulation when Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords comes down from heaven, which we call the Second Advent or Second Coming, and He rules the nations with a rod of iron.

Very simple.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Fact,the dead in Christ rise and are caught up into the sky before the living.

So what? What are you trying to prove. Anyone can read 1 Thess 4. What significance is there with the dead getting their new bodies before the living?

Seems to me an attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill.

that means your entire deal is way off.

Well then, please how the dead getting their new body before the living "means my entire deal is way off"?

That means you are saying in your doctrine the dead rise AFTER THE LIVING ARE GATHERED in rev 14.

Nope. I can read 1 Thess 4 as well as you can.

Game
set
match

Nope. Not hardly.

You've proven nothing other than what anyone who has read 1 Thess 4 already knows: the dead get their new bodies before the living. Again, so what?

However, When Jesus comes back to earth, that is ONE event, not 2. And in that ONE event, the dead get their new bodies before the living get their new bodies. All in the same ONE event.

 

[FreeGrace2]

lol
here is what your teachers failed to teach you;
7 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

ooooops
those pesky verses your teachers failed to mention.

No, what is pesky is misreading the passage.

Let's begin with v.7. It says "AS THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE". It doesn't say "IN the day of Noah". So a comparison is being made BETWEEN the days of Noah and the Second Advent.

Therefore, any mention of the flood in regard to the Second Coming is irrelevant.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
#1: sure it makes sense. The living believers will be meeting the Lord at the Second Advent to receive their resurrection bodies, just after those who came with Him do. Actually, it makes no sense to believe Jesus comes down, resurrects/raptures believers and takes them back to heaven before the Trib WHEN THERE ARE NO VERSES THAT SAY SO.

Taken together, the whole of the Bible cannot but teach that very thing.

This is hardly a defense. I could say the same thing. Kinda like saying the evidence is found from Genesis to Revelation.

If Jesus returns to heaven after resurrecting/rapturing believers, then there SHOULD BE EVIDENCE of it, and clearly. Yet, not a word about any supposed U-turn.

in fact, as already shown, Acts 3:21 tells us that Jesus REMAINS in heaven until the times of restoration. So there's no 2-step Second Coming.

We cannot deny that the fiery judgment of the wicked happens 1,000 years AFTER Jesus comes as a thief in the night when the Earth is left in the ruins described in 2 Peter. The two resurrections are bookends of the 1,000 years.

You're confusing what Peter was writing about with Rev 20. Yes the GWT judgment (20:11-15) occurs AFTER the Millennial reign of Christ. Peter was speaking about Rev 21:1 when God melts the earth and provides a new earth. Very simple.

Revelation 20:4-6 KJV plainly says this. The parenthetical statement, "This is the First Resurrection," refers to verse 4, not the beginning of verse 5.

Actually, it refers to the beheaded martyrs that will reign with Christ.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

The red words refer to the martyrs from the Tribulation. They are those in the "first resurrection". The blue words refer to their resurrection and reigning with Christ for 1,000 years.

If you don't believe that Jesus reigns on earth, where does the context indicate it is in heaven?

When Jesus comes as a thief, the Earth is going to look like a bazillion bombs went off - Peter says so.

Nope. He was referring to Rev 21:1 when God replaces the old earth with the new earth.

At the time He come as a thief, the saints are called from the grave to meet Him in the air with the living saints, while the wicked drop dead all over the planet "at the brightness of His coming" because sinners cannot stand in the sight of a Holy God

Nice sentiment, but where does the Bible actually say this?

- they give up the ghost. Jeremiah says they're going to lay "from one end of the Earth even to the other end of the Earth" and there they will lie for 1,000 years.

Nope. Jeremiah is referring to the battle of Armageddon. Rev 19:11-21.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The tares are burned at the GWTJ of course.

Actually not. They will be cast into the lake of fire, which is NOT where the GWT is located. So they are not burned AT the Throne. They are judged AT the Throne, then experience the LoF elsewhere.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The Rapture and the Ressurection are not the same event. The Ressurection happens only to the dead saints, and the Rapture only happens to the living saints.

The living aren't resurrected because they didn't die. The dead aren't raptured because they return with Christ as he returns.

Besides this, Paul makes it clear the resurrection happens before the rapture so the living cannot "precede/prevent" the dead proving that the two events are not one single event but they do happen nearly at the same time.


1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Nearly at the same time, yes.
I didn't say otherwise.

 

[Absolutely]

You have this wrong also. Clearly the NHNE is AFTER the day of judgment not before it:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Yep looks like it

 

[Absolutely]

Here's the order of main end times events:

1. Satan starts the Great Tribulation using two beasts, ten kings, and the mark of the beast etc.
2. The Great Tribulation ends at the sounding of the 7th trump and the second coming.
3. The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the changing and rapturing the living saints up to the clouds to meet Christ and his army.
4. The larger army continues to follow Christ down to where the battle of Armageddon takes place.
5. The army gathered there is slain and the two beasts are cast into the Lake of Fire and Satan is imprisoned in the pit.
6. Christ and his immortal saints rule with a rod of iron over the unsaved nations for a thousand years.
7. After the thousand years Satan is released and go to the nations and deceives a great many to go to and surround Jerusalem.
8. Fire comes down from God the Father in heaven and those people are killed. 9. Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire.
9. The rest of the dead resurrect and are judged at the Great White Throne Judgement and are cast into the Lake of Fire.
10. The New Heavens and New Earth takes place and New Jerusalem descends from Heaven and an eternal age begins for those who are written in the Book of Life.

Everyone should already know the scriptures pertaining to those events.

.....and of course leave out rev 14...

Which totally destroys your doctrine.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I know it isn't likely that any of you will watch this video, but I will post it anyway, someone might watch it and learn something.

I took the time to listen to / watch the entire 52-min+ video, last night, and I just have to say... Chris R should stay in his wheelhouse, but "Eschatology" is definitely not his!


I noted at least 10-12 [CATEGORIES of] pretty major problems with his take on things (all of which points I've addressed in-depth in past posts)... I could really only so much as LIST them here (for the sheer volume of text it would take to actually delve into them in any real depth, MY APOLOGIES--but, again, which points I've covered in some measure in past posts)...


Here are some of the PROBLEMS with it, I am detecting:

[for those one or two who might be OUT THERE and vaguely interested in wading through this lengthy tome... I know, I know, ...it was even tedious for me to sit through watching the entire video and to jot notes on what I was hearing... so I don't blame anyone for NOT being interested!! = ) Just offering it here, in case...]

1) as an Amillennialist, he continually refers to the phrase "the end of the WORLD" rather than to acknowledge that "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" is to be FOLLOWED BY "the age [singular] to come" (and that "age [SINGULAR]" connects to earth-time and -history--by that, I mean, while it still is in existence, and in contrast to "the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" referring to "forever" etc);

2) his faulty assumption that "pre-tribbers" (or other viewpoints) "go to Revelation FIRST" and then FORCE-FIT the interpretion of other passages BASED ON IT (what he calls UNCLEAR Revelation/apocalyptic lit.), rather than the other way around--a very common but flawed-accusation / false-assumption of "pre-trib" and esp. "pre-MILL" viewpoints; but he is overlooking the fact that OTHER passages ELSEWHERE "say that SAME [basic] THING" (which he does not acknowledge);

... and that when it comes to Revelation (the parts that are associated to a particular topic/subject/category), one instead often finds more specific detailing on the thing...

For example, the post I made on how "Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 parallels the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isa24:21-22a[23]" and that IN THIS ISAIAH TEXT a TIME-PERIOD then intervenes before the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words is carried out... JUST AS Rev19-20 ALSO SHOWS there to be (but with the ADDED detail of the actual LENGTH of that intervening time-period)... but which "time-period" the "Amill-teachings" completely disregard (not acknowledging these two sets of parallel texts I've pointed out here, and ignoring Isaiah 24:21-23 altogether [its TWO "PUNISH" words separated BY "TIME"]);

...along with Rev19:15b's ('future tense' from that point in the chronology) "and He SHALL rule [/shepherd] them [/the nations] with a rod [/sceptre] of iron [righteousness and strength]"... where "nations" are on the earth (following His "RETURN" there).
The Isaiah 24 text IS CLEAR (and LITERAL) that a TIME-PERIOD separates the TWO "PUNISH" words [/events] in that text, and the FIRST one aligns with Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 (JUST LIKE Rev. shows!), at the time of His "RETURN" to the earth FOR the earthly MK age...

... not to mention what I've said before, that IN EVERY PASSAGE where the word "years" is used with ANY number accompanying it, it ALWAYS MEANS [/intends to convey to the readers' minds] "THAT MANY YEARS".

3) [approx 4:00-mins in] he incorrectly states that the "WEEKS" in Daniel's "70 WEEKS" prophecy is "obviously symbolic/symbolical [otherwise it would amount to something like a literal year and a quarter, or some such, he suggests]"... but this shows his ignorance of the Hebrew word for "WEEKS" which doesn't have to mean "week of 7 DAYS" (like OUR English word "week" means)... but CAN MEAN *either* "[a set of SEVEN] DAYS" *OR* "[a set of SEVEN] YEARS" (UNlike OUR English word for "week")...

So the TEXT states "70 'SEVENS' are determined upon"... and the CONTEXT determines whether it's speaking of "a set of seven DAYS" or "a set of seven YEARS" but BOTH / EITHER "set" [/lit. 'SEVEN'] is LITERAL! It is NOT saying "a SYMBOLICAL week that really represents something ELSE"... NO. The text itself ACTUALLY, LITERALLY MEANS "70 'SEVENS'" (70 sets-of-SEVEN, whether DAYS or YEARS, LITERALLY!)

4) [approx @ 5:33-5:44] his mention of "apocalyptic" literature / texts (see this link, to save my typing fingers: https://drreluctant.wordpress.com/2017/12/28/apocalyptic-fixation/ [quoting from article] "Before swallowing the ideas of apocalyptic literature it is wise to examine the presuppositions of those who promote it." [more at link])


5) [approx @17:40 - 18:00 (and again around 40:20)] his explanation of Matthew 24's mention of the "AOD" is completely OFF, because he disregards the "chronology issues" of the Olivet Discourse... where actually one "SEE-then-FLEE" takes place "BEFORE ALL" the beginning of birth PANGS, per v.12 [which are described in Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11], and the OTHER "SEE-then-FLEE" takes place AFTER "the beginning of birth PANGS" (which he doesn't even define those correctly either);

...the "AOD [A-singular, of D-singular]" connects back to Dan12:11 (with its specific "day-amounts" in that CONTEXT), and Daniel is told he will STAND IN HIS LOT at the END of the days (i.e. be resurrected ['to stand again' on the earth] at the END of those days, thus this CANNOT be referring to the events surrounding 70ad as he suggests (though Lk21:12-24a/b DOES speak of the 70ad events, Matthew 24's text [in Jesus' response] DOES NOT COVER it at all, but covers that which STARTS OUT with the "BoBPs" which take place AFTER the 70ad events [and ITS own "SEE-then-FLEE"]... Luke 21:12 said so);

...the video-speaker supplies no grammatical reasoning for his suggesting [around the 30:05-mark] that v.21's "FOR THEN SHALL THERE BE" *not* connecting directly to what is stated just before this verse (as he suggests), but instead just says he thinks the break [spans-of-time, -break] occurs just here (to now refer to the far-future events, sudden-like, with no regard at all to the words "FOR THEN" and why they are there)


6) [approx @34:08] re: Matt24:27, says "it's going to be OBVIOUS!" (yes, hello, the CONTEXT is His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, of course it will be obvious... but the CONTEXT is not covering the Subject of "our Rapture" AT ALL, anywhere in His Olivet Discourse!)...

...again, he says, "corpses... vultures... OBVIOUS!" (yes, but that is NOT what takes place at the time of "our Rapture" but of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH point in the chronology, which Second Coming to the earth [BY CONTRAST] has the angels being instructed to "gather ye FIRST the TARES"--this is the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that which takes place at the time of "our Rapture")

[continued in next post]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

[continued from previous post]


7) [approx @ 34:52] re: v.30, he reads correctly "all TRIBES of the earth shall mourn" (and adds his commentary, 'every one of them') but he fails to grasp that the word "TRIBE / TRIBES" (where used throughout Scripture--some 296x total [??]) speaks specifically of the nation of Israel (not all nationS under the sun / Gentiles !)

8) [approx @ 36:20] he correctly connects Matt24 with Matt13, but he INCORRECTLY thinks "the kingdom of heaven" (lit. 'the kingdom OF THE heavenS') means "HEAVEN" (like, UP THERE), when it is actually referring to "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom [-age]");

...so as I mentioned before about the TWO distinct mentions of "firstfruit" in Lev23, and the MORE THAN ONE "HARVEST" issues... when he points out the text "let both grow together TILL," he is missing the fact that this text in Matt13 is only covering the "WHEAT harvest" (not the one that PRECEDES it! ... which is not being covered in this Matt13 [/Matt24] CONTEXT, but which is instead covering the time-period leading UP TO "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK [-age], i.e. "the kingdom OF THE heavenS," not "UP IN Heaven" [the CONTEXT simply is NOT "our Rapture" here!--and no one is being "resurrected" in this CONTEXT either])

9) [approx @ 37:55] he INCORRECTLY connects the "GREAT trumpet" (Matt24:29-31) with 1Th4:17's, INSTEAD of the one that is DOES connect with, in Isaiah 27:12-13 (see again, "WHO" and "TO WHERE" and "IN WHAT MANNER [they are gathered]" and "BY whom"--all of which is completely DISTINCT from "our Rapture" circumstances and descriptions); Numbers 10 shows the various patterns in which the trumpets were to be blown, for distinct PURPOSES [study v.4 and then compare]


10) [approx @ 39:45] "one taken, the other left" he fails to recognize that (JUST AS IN NOAH'S DAY) it is the one "taken" that was/will be "taken away IN JUDGMENT," and the one "left" that was/will be "LEFT on the earth"... to FILL the earth [i.e. ENTER the MK-age in their mortal bodies; Comp. Gen9:1 with Dan2:35 "FILL / FILLED the [whole] earth," just like in Noah's day (Matt24:36-42 and Lk17:26-37 ["and destroyed them ALL"... this is not what takes place following "our Rapture" point in time])

11) [approx @ 41:42 - 42:00 (and to 42:30)] his comments on the phrase "the temple of God" (like in 2Th2:4) and his [flawed] explanation re: "Paul's theology" /mentioning of same [supposedly] ALWAYS means "the Church," shows his failure to note that whenever Paul speaks about US as "temple," he NEVER uses the definite article ('THE')...

...yet the two references to that future time period [FOLLOWING "our Rapture / THE Departure" IN THE AIR--i.e. we're GONE, at that point!] BOTH verses say "THE temple of God," and the one reference in Rev11:1 is clearly DISTINGUISHING "THE temple of God"... and the "THEM that worship THEREIN" (clearly separated by another phrase altogether, in between)

12) [approx @ 42:55] he says something like "restrains until the very end" (which he is referring, according to his viewpoint, to when "Satan's little season" will take place--but this REALLY butchers the chronology! I don't even have the time to go into all that, but the "Amill-teachings" almost completely disregard all "chronology" issues, as unimportant "fluff" as though God is just wasting space with all of His meticulous detail to such things, as Scripture itself shows... I would go into the impossibility of such sequence/chronology issues, on this point, but my post is already too long as it is... just understand that this is indeed much-ly a matter of not grasping the chronology [/timing] issues)



g'night! LOL

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

[continued from previous post]


7) [approx @ 34:52] re: v.30, he reads correctly "all TRIBES of the earth shall mourn" (and adds his commentary, 'every one of them') but he fails to grasp that the word "TRIBE / TRIBES" (where used throughout Scripture--some 296x total [??]) speaks specifically of the nation of Israel (not all nationS under the sun / Gentiles !)

8) [approx @ 36:20] he correctly connects Matt24 with Matt13, but he INCORRECTLY thinks "the kingdom of heaven" (lit. 'the kingdom OF THE heavenS') means "HEAVEN" (like, UP THERE), when it is actually referring to "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom [-age]");

...so as I mentioned before about the TWO distinct mentions of "firstfruit" in Lev23, and the MORE THAN ONE "HARVEST" issues... when he points out the text "let both grow together TILL," he is missing the fact that this text in Matt13 is only covering the "WHEAT harvest" (not the one that PRECEDES it! ... which is not being covered in this Matt13 [/Matt24] CONTEXT, but which is instead covering the time-period leading UP TO "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK [-age], i.e. "the kingdom OF THE heavenS," not "UP IN Heaven" [the CONTEXT simply is NOT "our Rapture" here!--and no one is being "resurrected" in this CONTEXT either])

9) [approx @ 37:55] he INCORRECTLY connects the "GREAT trumpet" (Matt24:29-31) with 1Th4:17's, INSTEAD of the one that is DOES connect with, in Isaiah 27:12-13 (see again, "WHO" and "TO WHERE" and "IN WHAT MANNER [they are gathered]" and "BY whom"--all of which is completely DISTINCT from "our Rapture" circumstances and descriptions); Numbers 10 shows the various patterns in which the trumpets were to be blown, for distinct PURPOSES [study v.4 and then compare]


10) [approx @ 39:45] "one taken, the other left" he fails to recognize that (JUST AS IN NOAH'S DAY) it is the one "taken" that was/will be "taken away IN JUDGMENT," and the one "left" that was/will be "LEFT on the earth"... to FILL the earth [i.e. ENTER the MK-age in their mortal bodies; Comp. Gen9:1 with Dan2:35 "FILL / FILLED the [whole] earth," just like in Noah's day (Matt24:36-42 and Lk17:26-37 ["and destroyed them ALL"... this is not what takes place following "our Rapture" point in time])

11) [approx @ 41:42 - 42:00 (and to 42:30)] his comments on the phrase "the temple of God" (like in 2Th2:4) and his [flawed] explanation re: "Paul's theology" /mentioning of same [supposedly] ALWAYS means "the Church," shows his failure to note that whenever Paul speaks about US as "temple," he NEVER uses the definite article ('THE')...

...yet the two references to that future time period [FOLLOWING "our Rapture / THE Departure" IN THE AIR--i.e. we're GONE, at that point!] BOTH verses say "THE temple of God," and the one reference in Rev11:1 is clearly DISTINGUISHING "THE temple of God"... and the "THEM that worship THEREIN" (clearly separated by another phrase altogether, in between)

12) [approx @ 42:55] he says something like "restrains until the very end" (which he is referring, according to his viewpoint, to when "Satan's little season" will take place--but this REALLY butchers the chronology! I don't even have the time to go into all that, but the "Amill-teachings" almost completely disregard all "chronology" issues, as unimportant "fluff" as though God is just wasting space with all of His meticulous detail to such things, as Scripture itself shows... I would go into the impossibility of such sequence/chronology issues, on this point, but my post is already too long as it is... just understand that this is indeed much-ly a matter of not grasping the chronology [/timing] issues)



g'night! LOL

I appreciate that you went to such great lengths. That is commendable.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ @Blackpowderduelist ,

Likewise, your kindnesses are much appreciated. = )

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Where does the 1,000 years below occur?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Peter 3:8 is not a formula.

You are trying to use it like this:

1000 years = 1 day
1 day = 1000 years

But that is not what the verse states. The verse is explaining that God is eternal. Time as we know it doesn't contain him.
To God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day.
It doesn't say 1000 years IS 1 day.

Peter could just have easily have said -to God an afternoon is like a decade.
The very verse you are trying to use for a formula is telling you God can't be nailed down to a numerical equation.

 

[Absolutely]

So what? What are you trying to prove. Anyone can read 1 Thess 4. What significance is there with the dead getting their new bodies before the living?

Seems to me an attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill.


Well then, please how the dead getting their new body before the living "means my entire deal is way off"?


Nope. I can read 1 Thess 4 as well as you can.


Nope. Not hardly.

You've proven nothing other than what anyone who has read 1 Thess 4 already knows: the dead get their new bodies before the living. Again, so what?

However, When Jesus comes back to earth, that is ONE event, not 2. And in that ONE event, the dead get their new bodies before the living get their new bodies. All in the same ONE event.

You walked up to the barn ,emptied both barrels ,and missed from 2 ft away.

You do not get it.

Jesus gathers a group DURING THE GT.

You have the dead raised and raptured AFTER THE LIVING.

But no surprise your doctrine can not refute it.

So just ignore it.
Wink wink

 

[Truth7t7]

^ @Blackpowderduelist ,

Likewise, your kindnesses are much appreciated. = )

Nice, I can read that

 

[Truth7t7]

And - I keep telling you that your misinterpretation of [certain] passages of scripture are causing you to not properly understand the millenium.

The earth is not totally destroyed at the Second Coming of Christ.

And, every verse in the Bible that mentions 'fire' is not descibing or pointing to such an idea.

I really wish you would learn [how] to join a discussion - and stay on topic - instead of posting your entire belief system in every post...

We will disagree, the heavens and earth will be (Dissolved) by the Lords fire in judgement at his appearing.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

You walked up to the barn ,emptied both barrels ,and missed from 2 ft away.

You do not get it.

Jesus gathers a group DURING THE GT.

You have the dead raised and raptured AFTER THE LIVING.

But no surprise your doctrine can not refute it.

So just ignore it.
Wink wink

No Jesus dosen't gather a group during the tribulation as you claim.

There is one future resurrection of all on the last day (Fact)

You ignore posted truth like the plague, and dont respond as if it dosent exist, exactly what you claim others do, Real Big Smiles!

You avoid God's words below "Why"?

There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of "All", This Takes Place On "The Last Day" At The Time Of "Final Judgement"

(The Last Day Resurrection, Judgement)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The Last Day Resurrection)

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(The Last Day Judgement)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You walked up to the barn ,emptied both barrels ,and missed from 2 ft away.
You do not get it.
Jesus gathers a group DURING THE GT.

Don't beat around the bush. Just say what you mean.

You have the dead raised and raptured AFTER THE LIVING.

That's plain silly. I never suggested that, much less say it.

1 Thess 4 is very clear that the dead receive their resurrection bodies BEFORE the living receive their changed bodies (which are exactly like the dead's resurrected bodies.

It is obivous that you failed to comprehend my posts.

But no surprise your doctrine can not refute it.

Since your view of my doctrine is so off the track, your comment is irrelevant.

Just what do you think I can't refute, btw?

At least, I've corrected your error about my views.