Are we in the precursor to what becomes Hell?

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pittsburghjoe

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Does being made in God's image intrinsically cause free will and eternal life? Can we think somewhat like God because of this?

Is this why souls in Hell have to live forever? We can't complain about it because it is what allows us to think with an infinite soul.

Are we given a similar choice to Adam and Eve but from within the fallen reality they caused us to be born in? Are we choosing Jesus over the sin that is possible here?

If Adam and Eve were created physical, why wasn't the Son of God physical before original sin?
What are the scientific requirements to be one with God? I don't think a physical body can achieve it. Jesus is a special case because he is God and can do anything.

If angel sin isn't physical, was the tree of knowledge connected to the sin of Satan? Did it represent the free will choice they had? Was Adam not created with knowledge of evil because that would have caused this fallen reality without disobeying God?
 
pittsburghjoe

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That last sentence feels like it could be taken the wrong way:

God doesn't create anything that is evil, the garden was made of good, I'm just saying original sin had to have happened.
 
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Does Einstein's relativity describe this fallen reality that original sin caused us to be born into?
 
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In that death is hell. So that in order to get to hell we must first be here.
 
pittsburghjoe

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God placed the Free Will choice to be in this fallen reality at the tree. The two realities met there, when you eat from the tree, you take on the fallen reality. The fallen reality causes: a present state (the now), physicality, entropy, death, and decay. This place allows sin to happen.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Does being made in God's image intrinsically cause free will and eternal life? Can we think somewhat like God because of this?

Is this why souls in Hell have to live forever? We can't complain about it because it is what allows us to think with an infinite soul.

Are we given a similar choice to Adam and Eve but from within the fallen reality they caused us to be born in? Are we choosing Jesus over the sin that is possible here?

If Adam and Eve were created physical, why wasn't the Son of God physical before original sin?
What are the scientific requirements to be one with God? I don't think a physical body can achieve it. Jesus is a special case because he is God and can do anything.

If angel sin isn't physical, was the tree of knowledge connected to the sin of Satan? Did it represent the free will choice they had? Was Adam not created with knowledge of evil because that would have caused this fallen reality without disobeying God?
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Made in the [image and likeness] just means you share a common denominator of characteristics, emotions, thoughts, feelings. It's like seeing God in the Book of Job discussing [stretching the line] (measure tape our lingo) and explaining Creation. God reveals His Wisdom-Thought-Extension-Engineering-Mathematics-Reasoning for His Creation. And we are able to relate to God in all of these Wisdom-Thought-Extension-Engineering-Mathematics-Reasoning because we are "made" in His likeness and image. We do not have the specific trait, but we have traits that are specific to His traits.


To the rest of your post, I need to think on what i think you're even trying to say and ask here.
 
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Are we discussing hell known as the physical grave where a body is buried and is eventually tossed into the Lake of Fire?

Are we in the precursor to what becomes Hell?
 
pittsburghjoe

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A fallen reality sure seems like a likely place.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
If angel sin isn't physical, was the tree of knowledge connected to the sin of Satan? Did it represent the free will choice they had? Was Adam not created with knowledge of evil because that would have caused this fallen reality without disobeying God?
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It is properly called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not the tree of knowledge.

Adam had knowledge of good in knowing God, but chose to put his will above the will of God.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
A fallen reality sure seems like a likely place.
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Do any Christians deny that we live in a fallen reality? You were saying in your other thread that physicality in itself is sin, that energy is sin, that Satan was the cause of the corruption of the universe and not Adam's disobedience as Scripture states... and that Adam and Eve were not physical, nor was the universe physical, until after Adam sinned.
 
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Magenta said:
Do any Christians deny that we live in a fallen reality? You were saying in your other thread that physicality in itself is sin, that energy is sin, that Satan was the cause of the corruption of the universe and not Adam's disobedience as Scripture states... and that Adam and Eve were not physical, nor was the universe physical, until after Adam sinned.
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Some folks you just can't reach.
Because they are so far out in left field that they left the ball park altogether.
 
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Magenta said:
Do any Christians deny that we live in a fallen reality? You were saying in your other thread that physicality in itself is sin, that energy is sin, that Satan was the cause of the corruption of the universe and not Adam's disobedience as Scripture states... and that Adam and Eve were not physical, nor was the universe physical, until after Adam sinned.
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You understand we are in a fallen realty ..but don't want to admit to what that entails.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Does Einstein's relativity describe this fallen reality that original sin caused us to be born into?
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No... but the Bible does :)

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You understand we are in a fallen realty ..but don't want to admit to what that entails.
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I know what it entails. You however, have vain philosophies replacing Biblical realities.
 
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Magenta said:
No... but the Bible does :)

I know what it entails. You however, have vain philosophies to replace Biblical realities.
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Why not both?

It's odd that you can be blind to what I'm saying. It's like you don't want to know how we ended up in this cesspool.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Vain philosophies cannot compete or compare to Biblical truths.
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Vain because this is going to make me a superstar? I'm just providing the ammo to wake the sleeping, nothing more. I would never allow fame anywhere near me. Anyone that reads this thread, you are free to claim them as your own, just know what the dangers of what fame are.
 
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Was Satan at the Tree of Knowledge because that is where the fallen reality pokes its head out at in the garden?
 
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