Do we have to love our enemies in order to be saved?

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Blik

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TO TELL THEM the truth. To let them know what they did was wrong and God will deal with them. I forgive what you did to me but I also know my God will deal with you in this manner for touching HIS anointed. I pray you to repent and surrender to the Lord.
This sin will not go unpaid.
This is so well said.

It is only the Lord's place to judge, if we judge we are taking over what is only for the Lord to do, and as you point out the Lord will repay.

The Lord gives us free will, and we are to do as the Lord does. We are to allow others to decide on how they are to live.
 

Marcelo

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........Yes and someone who preaches that the teachings of Jesus are no longer applicable to us such as his teachings on the sermon on the mount are preaching another Jesus..
I'll give you just one example of teachings that are no longer applicable:


Matthew 8

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8 When Jesus came down from the mountainside, large crowds followed him. 2 A man with leprosy[a] came and knelt before him and said, “Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean.”
3 Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. “I am willing,” he said. “Be clean!” Immediately he was cleansed of his leprosy. 4 Then Jesus said to him, “See that you don’t tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.”


A pastor who preaches that the above teaching is no longer applicable is not preaching another Jesus; he is preaching what Jesus revealed to him from heaven.

Galatians 1:11-24

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Paul Called by God
11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
 

phil36

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Galatians 1:11-24

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Paul Called by God
11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.


Hi Marcello.

Can you tell me why Paul had to say that.. That his gospel is not from man.
 

Marcelo

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Hi Marcello.

Can you tell me why Paul had to say that.. That his gospel is not from man.
While on earth Jesus preached an improved version of the Old Testament -- He didn't preach the Gospel of Grace. A few years after He was taken up to heaven, He called Paul to be His spokesperson.

Paul's message was different and naturally he had to make clear that the new message had been revealed to him by the Lord Jesus, from heaven.
 

phil36

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While on earth Jesus preached an improved version of the Old Testament -- He didn't preach the Gospel of Grace. A few years after He was taken up to heaven, He called Paul to be His spokesperson.

Paul's message was different and naturally he had to make clear that the new message had been revealed to him by the Lord Jesus, from heaven.

Hi Marcello,

So what did Jesus teaching and life "preach".
 

Marcelo

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Hi Marcello,

So what did Jesus teaching and life "preach".
According to some Bible interpreters, Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom in order to establish his kingdom on earth. But this was impossible because the Jews rejected Him.
 

phil36

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According to some Bible interpreters, Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom in order to establish his kingdom on earth. But this was impossible because the Jews rejected Him.
Hi Marcello,

I'll ask the question again with an added emphasis:

So what did Jesus teaching and life "preach".
 

Marcelo

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Hi Marcello,

I'll ask the question again with an added emphasis:

So what did Jesus teaching and life "preach".
Obedience to the law of Moses.
 
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When you say 'repent of your sins ' ,what do you mean? And which verse says that " wanting to be sin free " is necessary for salvation and thats what ' repentance 'means?
If I say I am your friend, and I come and see you today and for no reason punch you hard right in the eye and then say sorry. You may forgive me. If I come back the next day and punch you in the other eye and say sorry and walk away. Would you allow me to come see you and get close the next day to say “ hi”? Would you still consider me your friend?

Now if you claim you know and LOVE God, through Christ and the suffering he took on that you deserve. I’f someone you loved, not just a friend, came and punched you in the eye and did that everyday how much more would that hurt? Then why punch God?


Then ask yourself and measure your heart’s desire, do you really know and Love God and His light, or do you love the world and darkness?

This is the Way

A brother in Christ
 
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Now brother and sisters here is the best part, God would let you do that to Him, but are you truly sorry then if you keep doing it? Are you sorry cause you got caught or truly sorry cause you know and love him. I’f you love Him why would you do it? If you don’t love him then you don’t know Him. I’d you don’t know Him then you can’t live by the spirit and love your neighbor the way you should. This is why you must get and understand it is all about Love and starts with the greatest commandment!
 

CS1

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If I say I am your friend, and I come and see you today and for no reason punch you hard right in the eye and then say sorry. You may forgive me. If I come back the next day and punch you in the other eye and say sorry and walk away. Would you allow me to come see you and get close the next day to say “ hi”? Would you still consider me your friend?

Now if you claim you know and LOVE God, through Christ and the suffering he took on that you deserve. I’f someone you loved, not just a friend, came and punched you in the eye and did that everyday how much more would that hurt? Then why punch God?


Then ask yourself and measure your heart’s desire, do you really know and Love God and His light, or do you love the world and darkness?

This is the Way

A brother in Christ
I am not sure what the point is but the bible says to have friends one must be friendly. A person who punches you in the eye is not a friend, now you should forgive them but it would be stupid to learn from the first time you were punched.
 

Nehemiah6

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We came to the conclusion that we must always do our best to love our enemies, but if we don't attain such perfection we don't lose salvation.
Correct. That is definitely not a condition for salvation. So where do people come up with such bizarre ideas?
 
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I believe if we don't forgive it will not affect our eternal salvation but will affect our current earthly life negatively
Then you have not read the Bible, it is written, the measure you give is the measure you get. Mathew 18 21-35.
“Not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
The kingdom of heaven is like the king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. At this, the servant fell on his knees before him. “Be patient with me,” he begged, “and I will pay back everything.”
The servant’s master took pity on him, cancelled his debt, and let him go.
But when the servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. “Pay back what you owe me!” he demanded. His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, “Be patient with me and I will pay it back,” but he refused to wait for the man to repay him. Instead, he had the man thrown into prison until he could pay back the debt.
When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened. The master called the servant back in. “You wicked servant,” he said, “I cancelled all your debt because you begged me to. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?”
In anger, his master handed him to the jailer to be tortured until he could pay back all that he owed.
This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
 
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I am not sure what the point is but the bible says to have friends one must be friendly. A person who punches you in the eye is not a friend, now you should forgive them but it would be stupid to learn from the first time you were punched.
Then why do you say it is ok to live in sin as the world does who he set you free from and punch Him in the eye like the world?
 

CS1

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Then why do you say it is ok to live in sin as the world does who he set you free from and punch Him in the eye like the world?
I don't know where I said " it is ok to live in sin" we are to live in a sinful world but not be a part of it. your allegory is not biblical.