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No, it is not! Scripture does not teach that. The Bible tells us "choose you this day" and that we have a choice between life and death. Then the verse says "choose life". You make God out to be a liar, unjust and cruel. We have a choice. What you are saying is utterly false and been proven with Scripture. You can believe whatever you wish, but you aren't believing the Word. You have a choice. You repeating the line doesn't make it true. Just so new Christians here are clear, what this person is saying is false.
Next minute you'll be saying smokers 'choose' to get lung cancer.
 
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kaylagrl

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Next minute you'll be saying smokers 'choose' to get lung cancer.

So you're proposing we have utterly no choices in life. You're responsible for nothing, no personal responsibility at all. God arbitrarily chooses who to send to hell or heaven. You have no responsibility whatsoever. Nothing you've said can be proved using Scripture. Don't know what church you attend but do me a favor, buy your pastor a Bible. He seriously needs one.

4,3,2,1...
 

Roughsoul1991

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The choice is not ours. The choice is God's.
It's okay to disagree. Plenty of others believe in total depravity and pre-election and predestination. While just as many believe in free will.

Either or we are still called to share the Word of God to all who will listen. Rather if you believe that those who respond are predetermined or chose, makes no difference to me. I'm just thankful they found Christ.
 

Smoke

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It is arguably our choice whether we accept Jesus as our saviour or not.

It is not our choice where we go. Only God decides that.
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying/implying. Do you think it's possible that it's NOT our choice to accept Jesus as our Savior? If we believe that Jesus is the Savior of the world, who forced us to believe that? If we do not accept Jesus as the Savior of the world, who is making us not believe/accept?
 

Smoke

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The choice is not ours. The choice is God's.
I think this answers the question I asked in the post I made before this one.

If I understand correctly, you believe God prevents people from accepting Jesus as the Savior of the world and God forces people to believe/accept Jesus as the Savior of the world... ?
 

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I could barely understand any of that. Could I request that you better structure your questions and conform as best you could to the standards of English grammar and punctuation.
"To pee or not to pee, that is the question".
 
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If you catch it and die, you will be with God.
Well, that is the long and short of it.
But mostly people catch it and don't die. But I'm with ya on this. I refuse to live in fear. If this body falls away I will be with the Lord.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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They actually don't, they follow a code.
Actually she is right robots to make decisions based on set parameters. If you don't understand this watch a video of robotic self driving cars.
 
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kaylagrl

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Well, that is the long and short of it.
But mostly people catch it and don't die. But I'm with ya on this. I refuse to live in fear. If this body falls away I will be with the Lord.

And you'll be with the Lord because you chose to follow Him.
 
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kaylagrl

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Actually she is right robots to make decisions based on set parameters. If you don't understand this watch a video of robotic self driving cars.

She's not right Biblically, which is the most important thing.
 

gb9

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She's not right Biblically, which is the most important thing.
what she is really saying is what all man-made offshoots of Christianity say- trust and faith and Christ is not enough for salvation, with them, there is always a " believe in Christ for salvation , BUT......."
 
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what she is really saying is what all man-made offshoots of Christianity say- trust and faith and Christ is not enough for salvation, with them, there is always a " believe in Christ for salvation , BUT......."
What am I really saying?
 
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kaylagrl

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what she is really saying is what all man-made offshoots of Christianity say- trust and faith and Christ is not enough for salvation, with them, there is always a " believe in Christ for salvation , BUT......."
I appreciate your effort, but I don't think she's trying to say that at all. She's saying God chooses whether you will be saved, that's untrue and cannot be backed by the Bible. Otherwise God is a liar.
 

Ahwatukee

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Putting yourself in danger by not taking precautions is hardly commended by God.
I have been amazed at the futile precautions that are in place to deter the covid virus. For example, I go out to eat a lot and when I drive up to the window, the person at the window has their gloves and masks on, thinking that they are making a difference. However, let's say that I have covid. I drive up, pay the person for my order with my possibly stained covid money, which they then put in their cash drawer with the other bills. In addition, they now have the covid virus on their gloves from handling my money, which they don't change after each customer. Then the next person drives up and the person gives them my possibly contaminated change. And so on, and so forth with each potential covid carrier. They're not deterring anything! And all this for something that for the vast majority, is nothing more than a mild flu, if that. It's like trying to keep people from catching the flu!

In addition, the government, in collusion with the hospital admins, have greatly exaggerated the cases and number of Covid deaths. what do you think the hospital admins are going to do when they're getting a 20% incentive for every covid case? We already read from the front-line doctors how people who had strokes, heart attacks, gun shot wounds, car accidents, etc., were all being counted as Covid deaths.

I'm looking forward to finding out all of the lying and deception that has gone on behind all of this when God reveals it at the judgment of the unrighteous dead.
 
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I appreciate your effort, but I don't think she's trying to say that at all. She's saying God chooses whether you will be saved, that's untrue and cannot be backed by the Bible. Otherwise God is a liar.
False dichotomy.

God is omnipotent, and as such he controls all aspects of our lives.
 

calibob

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Free will is not necessary to make choices. Robots can make choices.
Not. robots must be pre-programed and have no will at all. That's why we have salvation. God could have created obedient non rebellious robots much easier than we self absorbed, self seeking, vain human sinners. That why God desires rewards our love. Because it's voluntary.