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EleventhHour

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VickyK said:
Okay? Most are not, as such we do not have free will.
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I am sure we do, you have yet to prove Plato, Aristotle and Augustine wrong, but keep trying.
 
VickyK

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soberxp said:
If you make choices then it meaning you have free will:sneaky:so be it.

Why do you lie to yourself ? grow up,girl.
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Not true. Many choices are involuntary, and as such are not 'free'.
 
Lucy-Pevensie

Lucy-Pevensie

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VickyK said:
We would still behave according to the code written into our DNA.

The brain is eighty five per cent of the genome. Our physiology informs our thinking and as such our decision making.

Some people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism, for example. They do not decide to crave alcohol. Craving alcohol is an action. Look up the word 'craving'. It is a verb. A doing word. They are involuntarily craving alcohol, yet they are still actively craving alcohol. Do they have the free will to decide against craving alcohol?
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They have the free will to resist or at least try to resist. As long as they are not insane.
The choice before someone in that condition is neither easy nor fun but free will remains.
You get hungry, the choice about when, where & what to eat remains. Even if finding food is difficult..

You keep talking about the physiology of the brain rather than the MIND.
 
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kaylagrl

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VickyK said:
No. God chooses.

The easiest analogy would be the justice system. You may choose to break the law, however you cannot pass a sentence on yourself. Only the judge may do that. And God is an omnipotent judge whom cannot have his verdict repealed.
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You choose to break the law FIRST then you come before the judge. No, you choose.
 
Dude653

Dude653

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#166
VickyK said:
We would still behave according to the code written into our DNA.

The brain is eighty five per cent of the genome. Our physiology informs our thinking and as such our decision making.

Some people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism, for example. They do not decide to crave alcohol. Craving alcohol is an action. Look up the word 'craving'. It is a verb. A doing word. They are involuntarily craving alcohol, yet they are still actively craving alcohol. Do they have the free will to decide against craving alcohol?
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Neuroscience is a fascinating subject
Sam Harris discusses this in his book, Free Will
Harris argues that since we have no control over the electrical and chemical processes in our brains that produce thoughts, then Free Will is an illusion
 
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kaylagrl

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Dude653 said:
Neuroscience is a fascinating subject
Sam Harris discusses this in his book, Free Will
Harris argues that since we have no control over the electrical and chemical processes in our brains that produce thoughts, then Free Will is an illusion
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That would make God a liar.
 
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EleventhHour

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Dude653 said:
Neuroscience is a fascinating subject
Sam Harris discusses this in his book, Free Will
Harris argues that since we have no control over the electrical and chemical processes in our brains that produce thoughts, then Free Will is an illusion
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Harris is not highly regarded in the field of neuroscience btw.
 
VickyK

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Lucy-Pevensie said:
They have the free will to resist or at least try to resist. As long as they are not insane.
The choice before someone in that condition is neither easy nor fun but free will remains.
You get hungry, the choice about when, where & what to eat remains. Even if finding food is difficult..

You keep talking about the physiology of the brain rather than the MIND.
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If they had free will they could decide whether or not to crave alcohol. Ask an alcoholic and they'd say 'I didn't ask for this' or 'I never wanted this' or 'This is not how I planned my life to be'.
 
VickyK

VickyK

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kaylagrl said:
That would make God a liar.
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You would have to quote scripture. Also bare in mind it is the word of claiming to be the word of God.

This is somewhat off topic, but Lewis' trilemma doesn't consider the fact that Jesus did not write the NT and as such what others say of Jesus is not necessarily a reflection of how Jesus was or what he said of himself.
 
VickyK

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kaylagrl said:
You choose to break the law FIRST then you come before the judge. No, you choose.
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Not necessarily.

You certainly do not have any say as to what your sentence will be.
 
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EleventhHour

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VickyK said:
You would have to quote scripture. Also bare in mind it is the word of claiming to be the word of God.

This is somewhat off topic, but Lewis' trilemma doesn't consider the fact that Jesus did not write the NT and as such what others say of Jesus is not necessarily a reflection of how Jesus was or what he said of himself.
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Well you reveal yourself slowly, not surprised, eventually the agenda shines through.
 
VickyK

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Dude653 said:
Neuroscience is a fascinating subject
Sam Harris discusses this in his book, Free Will
Harris argues that since we have no control over the electrical and chemical processes in our brains that produce thoughts, then Free Will is an illusion
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I will have to check that out.
 
VickyK

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EleventhHour said:
Harris is wrong, he is biased trying to prove his atheism and even his PhD is suspect.
He has no prove for his assertions.
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Regarding free will, what is he wrong about in particular?
 
soberxp

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VickyK said:
Not true. Many choices are involuntary, and as such are not 'free'.
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If you think that's how you pee:rolleyes:,maybe you feeling When you want to pee is not 'free':ROFL:
you can choose to pee anywhere,Bed, office,pants, toilet, outdoors, in glass.o_O
you can choose not to pee until Bladder explosion.:p

Maybe you wet your bed when you sleeping.as such is not "free".:LOL:


Just kidding...no offense:censored:
 
VickyK

VickyK

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soberxp said:
If you think that's how you pee:rolleyes:,maybe you feeling When you want to pee is not 'free':ROFL:
you can choose to pee anywhere,Bed, office,pants, toilet, outdoors, in glass.o_O
you can choose not to pee until Bladder explosion.:p

Maybe you wet your bed when you sleeping.as such is not "free".:LOL:


Just kidding...no offense:censored:
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I could barely understand any of that. Could I request that you better structure your questions and conform as best you could to the standards of English grammar and punctuation.
 
Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

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VickyK said:
If you catch it and die, you will be with God.
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Philippians 1:23-24
New International Version
23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24 but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.
 
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