"The Soul That Sinneth, It SHALL Die."

[Phoneman-777]

The options are to believe the truth of the Gospel so as to be saved, or not .
Those who have recieved christ will then be glorified ( recieve the adoption) Those that refuse to believe the truth will not .

I got news for you. Ephesians says when we accept Christ, we are "sat down in heavenly places". So, the Bible says I am to consider myself now an inhabitant and citizen of the kingdom to come, but you say I can't now consider myself an adopted son of God until the resurrection?

Can you not see how inconsistent Dispensationalism is?

 

[Phoneman-777]

The options are to believe the truth of the Gospel so as to be saved, or not .
Those who have recieved christ will then be glorified ( recieve the adoption) Those that refuse to believe the truth will not .

Look, let's get back to the OP.

"The soul that sinneth SHALL die" refers to a literal death of the soul in the future, not a symbolic death of it. What do you think of that?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Is it your contention that God will essentially remove the seal from an elected individual?

The mistake people make is wrongly defining the "Seal of God" as some container fused shut in which we are trapped - A "seal" is a "sign", a "token", a "mark" which identifies us as God's property, like Abraham who "received the SIGN of circumcision, the SEAL of righteousness..." And, what is it? God's law:

"Bind up the testimony, seal the law among My disciples." Isaiah 8:16 KJV

The Holy Spirit is the Sealer that seals us with God's law - meaning when we surrender our will to God, the Holy Spirit writes His law on our hearts and by His power Jesus lives out His perfect obedient life through us - which obedience is the "sign", "seal", "token", "mark" to all men which identifies to them Who we serve, according to 2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV.

To answer your question, if we withdraw our surrender and go back to serving our will instead of God's will, we are no longer sealed by His law, because we rejected the One Who only can empower us to live according to it.

P.S. - the Mark of the Beast also has to do with the law, but that's another thread.

 

[throughfaith]

You didn't answer the question. We either die in a state of grace or disgrace...Which group is Jesus going to resurrect to eternal life.

Irrelevant question for a believer today . A believer is already spiritually ' resurrected .
Eph 2 .
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[throughfaith]

Look, let's get back to the OP.

"The soul that sinneth SHALL die" refers to a literal death of the soul in the future, not a symbolic death of it. What do you think of that?

Why are you quoting a verse for Israel in the OT ? Jesus died for the sins of the world. 1 cor 15 . I believe the bible that this actually happened.

 

[throughfaith]

Look, let's get back to the OP.

"The soul that sinneth SHALL die" refers to a literal death of the soul in the future, not a symbolic death of it. What do you think of that?

Let's look at this verse and tell me is this to you ?
Luke 17
14¶And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Irrelevant question for a believer today . A believer is already spiritually ' resurrected .
Eph 2 .
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

I don't dispute that.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Why are you quoting a verse for Israel in the OT ? Jesus died for the sins of the world. 1 cor 15 . I believe the bible that this actually happened.

Because the same applies to us. Doesn't James (who you now know wrote to Christians) say "he that converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death"???

See how nicely the OT and NT agree with each other, though you Dispensationalists try to butcher it all to death?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Let's look at this verse and tell me is this to you ?
Luke 17
14¶And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.

What does that have to do with the future literal death of wicked souls?

If souls literally die, why in the world do people insist on teaching eternal torment? Do you agree with Ezekiel, Jesus, and James that wicked souls will suffer literal destruction and death in the end?

 

[throughfaith]

What does that have to do with the future literal death of wicked souls?

If souls literally die, why in the world do people insist on teaching eternal torment? Do you agree with Ezekiel, Jesus, and James that wicked souls will suffer destruction and death in the end?

It has to do with you taking a verse out of its context and mis applying it .

 

[Phoneman-777]

It has to do with you taking a verse out of its context and mis applying it .

What are you talking about? I'm reading the verses totally in context.

 

[throughfaith]

Because the same applies to us. Doesn't James (who you now know wrote to Christians) say "he that converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death"???

See how nicely the OT and NT agree with each other, though you Dispensationalists try to butcher it all to death?

James 1 ..
1¶James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Which tribe are you from again ?

 

[throughfaith]

What are you talking about? I'm reading the verses totally in context.

Hey let's apply this verse to the Church today also ?

Matthew 15:24

King James Version



24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[Phoneman-777]

James 1 ..
1¶James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Which tribe are you from again ?

l"I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".

If you're not a Spiritual Israelite, then of what other covenant do you claim to partake?

 

[throughfaith]

l"I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".

If you're not a Spiritual Israelite, then of what other covenant do you claim to partake?

That verse is yet to take place . Its clearly reguarding Israel.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Hey let's apply this verse to the Church today also ?

Matthew 15:24

King James Version



24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Were not those lost sheep supposed to be "a light to the Gentiles" as well?

Yes, but they blew it, so the Gospel went directly to them.

Can you see how easy it is to disprove Dispensationalism?

 

[throughfaith]

l"I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".

If you're not a Spiritual Israelite, then of what other covenant do you claim to partake?

When did i say I was in a covenant?

 

[throughfaith]

Were not those lost sheep supposed to be "a light to the Gentiles" as well?

Yes, but they blew it, so the Gospel went directly to them.

Can you see how easy it is to disprove Dispensationalism?

I don't know what your point is here ?

 

[Phoneman-777]

That verse is yet to take place . Its clearly reguarding Israel.

You have got to be kidding! The New Covenant is not in effect? It was ratified by the blood of Jesus!
I'm done, bro. I can't begin to debate someone who is so Biblically illiterate. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I don't know what your point is here ?

Are we going to discuss the literal death of souls at the end of time or not? Let's forget about all that other stuff.