Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?
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.............THIS..........
More verses are better.
All the postribs teachers leave out the rapture verses.
Ok
Just cut out of your bible "firstfruits" and pretend Jesus has zero to do with the first resurrection.
Then pretend Paul was wrong when he said the dead in Christ raise FIRST since postribs say they rise after rev 14. (The gathering of the jews.)
Btw,you guys have NO IDEA of ;
1) the purpose of the gt
2) the groom/ bride dynamic
3) the ending of the church age/the gathering of jews.
4) the dialogue of the last supper is a parallel to the Jewish betrothal.
5)the fact that the REASON the ac is given POWER TO OVERCOME the saints is to END THE CHURCH AGE.
6) the fact the church Is in heaven in rev 19 and not only that,the bride has become the wife IN HEAVEN (JUST AS JESUS SAID)
In fact you guys are invincibly ignorant of the purpose of the gt or the purpose of the ac.
It is like you guys do not care at all.
I have always said you guys are anti pretrib FIRST , then your postrib rapture doctrine comes as a side issue.
THAT IS WHY y'all skip and ignore the rapture verses.
Any ONE OF them destroy your position.
In fact,there is not a single postrib rapture verse.
Ask yourself why, in all your teachers and videos NONE OF THEM WILL DEBATE the rapture verses.
Do you realize that is deception ?????
.....then say to yourself "why do my teachers omit the bride/groom dynamic"
Because they are TRIBULATION CENTERED.
They are oblivious to the purpose of the gt or the gathering of the jews.
Psssst....the purpose of the gt is to gather his covenant jews.
Psssst your clue is that the 144k ARE FIRSTFRUIT JEWS.
Jesus is firstfruits of THE GENTILE BRIDE...(RUTH)
Naomi is a type of the KINSMAN (jewish covenant kinsman redeemed)
......yet another thing you guys skip.
Such depth in Gods purposes.
Yet you guys not only skip all that,it does not even interest you.
See that's the thing. You guys actually believe less verses are better,and crafty deflections are superior to ACTUAL ADDRESSING of critical dynamics.that discos shallow....just repeating those postrib one liners.
"After"
"7th trump"
"Last trump "
"First resurrection"
"Lahaye"
"Darby,"
Such silliness to skip any meaningful debate or even have any interest in the depth of end times.
Because they are TRIBULATION CENTERED.
They are oblivious to the purpose of the gt or the gathering of the jews.
Psssst....the purpose of the gt is to gather his covenant jews.
Psssst your clue is that the 144k ARE FIRSTFRUIT JEWS.
Jesus is firstfruits of THE GENTILE BRIDE...(RUTH)
Naomi is a type of the KINSMAN (jewish covenant kinsman redeemed)
......yet another thing you guys skip.
Such depth in Gods purposes.
Yet you guys not only skip all that,it does not even interest you.
See that's the thing. You guys actually believe less verses are better,and crafty deflections are superior to ACTUAL ADDRESSING of critical dynamics.that discos shallow....just repeating those postrib one liners.
"After"
"7th trump"
"Last trump "
"First resurrection"
"Lahaye"
"Darby,"
Such silliness to skip any meaningful debate or even have any interest in the depth of end times.
Quote ; ""1Thess 4:16-17 - During the rapture, at the return of Christ, the first resurrection takes place, of those who died for their testimony of Christ:""
Do you realize you just countered your own deal?
You dont realize you CAN NOT HAVE the dead in Christ rise rise after the gt when Jesus comes back during the gt.
Jesus ends the gt..
You say rev 20 has a resurrection AFTER THE GT.
That false teaching of yours just painted you into a corner.
You once again,place the dead in Christ rising AFTER THE LIVING RAPTURED.
You also do it by ignoring rev 14.
Your teachers ignore rev 14.
Show me any teacher of yours that ever mentions rev 14.
So rediculous that your teachers can not see Jesus SITTING ON A CLOUD.
Your teachers must really hate that Jesus is sitting on a cloud.
Let me guess...the cloud is in the shape of a horse ...correct?
Your doctrine is so poorly thought out.
From https://www.gotquestions.org/sheol-hades-hell.html
Question: "What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom?"
Answer: The different terms used in the Bible for heaven and hell—sheol, hades, gehenna, the lake of fire, paradise, and Abraham’s bosom—are the subject of much debate and can be confusing.
The word paradise is used as a synonym for heaven (2 Corinthians 12:3–4; Revelation 2:7). When Jesus was dying on the cross and one of the thieves being crucified with Him asked Him for mercy, Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus knew that His death was imminent and that He would soon be in heaven with His Father. Therefore, Jesus used paradise as a synonym for heaven, and the word has come to be associated with any place of ideal loveliness and delight.
Abraham’s bosom is referred to only once in the Bible—in the story of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19–31). Abraham’s bosom was used in the Talmud as a synonym for heaven. The image in the story is of Lazarus reclining at a table leaning on Abraham’s breast—as John leaned on Jesus’ breast at the Last Supper—at the heavenly banquet. The point of the story is that wicked men will see the righteous in a happy state, while they themselves are in torment, and that a “great gulf” that can never be spanned exists between them (Luke 16:26). Abraham’s bosom is obviously a place of peace, rest, and joy—in other words, paradise.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent to sheol is hades, which is also a general reference to “the place of the dead.” The Greek word gehenna is used in the New Testament for “hell” and is derived from the Hebrew word hinnom. Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicated that sheol/hades is a temporary place where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection. The souls of the righteous, at death, go directly into the presence of God—the part of sheol called “heaven,” “paradise,” or “Abraham’s bosom” (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23).
The lake of fire, mentioned only in Revelation 19:20 and 20:10, 14-15, is the final hell, the place of eternal punishment for all unrepentant rebels, both angelic and human (Matthew 25:41). It is described as a place of burning sulfur, and those in it experience eternal, unspeakable agony of an unrelenting nature (Luke 16:24; Mark 9:45-46). Those who have rejected Christ and are in the temporary abode of the dead in hades/sheol have the lake of fire as their final destination.
But those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life should have no fear of this terrible fate. By faith in Christ and His blood shed on the cross for our sins, we are destined to live eternally in the presence of God.
Recommended Resource: Heaven by Randy Alcorn
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Question: "What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom?"
Answer: The different terms used in the Bible for heaven and hell—sheol, hades, gehenna, the lake of fire, paradise, and Abraham’s bosom—are the subject of much debate and can be confusing.
The word paradise is used as a synonym for heaven (2 Corinthians 12:3–4; Revelation 2:7). When Jesus was dying on the cross and one of the thieves being crucified with Him asked Him for mercy, Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus knew that His death was imminent and that He would soon be in heaven with His Father. Therefore, Jesus used paradise as a synonym for heaven, and the word has come to be associated with any place of ideal loveliness and delight.
Abraham’s bosom is referred to only once in the Bible—in the story of Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16:19–31). Abraham’s bosom was used in the Talmud as a synonym for heaven. The image in the story is of Lazarus reclining at a table leaning on Abraham’s breast—as John leaned on Jesus’ breast at the Last Supper—at the heavenly banquet. The point of the story is that wicked men will see the righteous in a happy state, while they themselves are in torment, and that a “great gulf” that can never be spanned exists between them (Luke 16:26). Abraham’s bosom is obviously a place of peace, rest, and joy—in other words, paradise.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent to sheol is hades, which is also a general reference to “the place of the dead.” The Greek word gehenna is used in the New Testament for “hell” and is derived from the Hebrew word hinnom. Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicated that sheol/hades is a temporary place where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection. The souls of the righteous, at death, go directly into the presence of God—the part of sheol called “heaven,” “paradise,” or “Abraham’s bosom” (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23).
The lake of fire, mentioned only in Revelation 19:20 and 20:10, 14-15, is the final hell, the place of eternal punishment for all unrepentant rebels, both angelic and human (Matthew 25:41). It is described as a place of burning sulfur, and those in it experience eternal, unspeakable agony of an unrelenting nature (Luke 16:24; Mark 9:45-46). Those who have rejected Christ and are in the temporary abode of the dead in hades/sheol have the lake of fire as their final destination.
But those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life should have no fear of this terrible fate. By faith in Christ and His blood shed on the cross for our sins, we are destined to live eternally in the presence of God.
Recommended Resource: Heaven by Randy Alcorn
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I don't know why those in the SDA suggest we need to survive the Warth of God poured out on the earth? The word of God is clear The saint is not subject to wrath.
Noah wasn't
Lott wasn't
Moses and the Hebrew children were not suffering the plagues of Eygpt
Persecution we will and do suffer by the devil and man BUT the Saint doesn't Suffer the Wrath of God we have passed from death unto life. I am not looking for the antichrist I am expecting the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I do not have to be an abused bride to get into the Kingdom of God I am entering in BY GRACE!
I think you understand the Rapture is pre-trib, so we are on the same page as far as I can tell."For I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you may not be wise in yourselves: A hardening [/blindness] in part has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles may come in [G1525]." Romans 11:25
"Therefore Israel will be abandoned [/Therefore will he give them up] until she who is in labor has given birth; then the rest [/the remnant] of His brothers will return [H7725] to the children of Israel." Micah 5:3 (distinct from the Subject of v.2; this verse being parallel Rev12:17's "remnant," which is DISTINCT from the one having been "born/birthed and CAUGHT UP" in that passage [from v.13 - "the male [G730]"])
And I agree Israel is blinded IN PART (meaning as a nation, but not as individuals, Paul and John were saved Jews, many more have been Messianic Jews, so IN PART means as a Nation Israel are blinded), and then during the 70th week, after the Rapture, they repent, just before the DOTL, as Zechariah 13:8-9 shows, then we see Zechariah 14:1 (the DOTL Cometh verse. which happens after the Jews repent in chapter 13). BUT..........The Remnant in Micah is a different Remnant than the Rev. 12 Remnant. Te Micha reference is about Israel returning from the Petra/Bozrah area to set up a kingdom with Jesus in Jerusalem, the Remnant in Rev. 12 can not be Jews, they are the Remnant Church, and can only be that, they can not be Jews via the very scriptures description.
The Woman (Israel) in Rev. 12 makes the Dragon ANGRY because he can not get at them, so he turns and goes after the Remnant of HER SEED (Jesus is her seed) who have the (KEY) TESTIMONY of Jesus, and keeps the COMMANDMENTS of God !! So the 1/3 in Zechariah 13:8-9 whoo repent and flee to Petra, making Satan angry, can, of course, nit be the Remant he goes after because he couldn't get at them, AND the 2/3 who refuse to repent can't be the remnant spoken of, because, of course, they will not have the TESTIMONY of Jesus, NOR will they keep the COMMANDMENTS of God, and that is why Zechariah 13:8-9 says the 2/3 will perish.
So, THE REMNANT of Her (Israels) Seed, is the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ, or those Gentiles who turn unto Jesus AFTER the Rapture of the Church/Bride. Thus the Remant = a Small part that is on earth, the Church is in Heaven (see Rev. 7:9-17, they came out of the Great Tribulation, or the 2000 some odd year Church Age tribulation period, since ALL-TIME is Tribulation according to Jesus.)
So, we agree, the Remnant in Micha 3 os Israel, but the Remnant in Rev. 12 can't be the Jews, it can only be te Church.
The First Resurrection is the Resurrection of those in Christ/God, over all of time, when they are raised is irrelevant. God dilineates the Ressurection of those IN CHRIST and those who are WICKED. You and others try to constrain what God can call two resurrections, it is very clear, the Rapture is pre 70th week, then the Israelis of old will be raised up at the very end to stand in their lots like Gabriel told Daniel, and the Martyrs will be judged in Rev. 20:4. BOTH, the Rapture and those raised after the Second Coming are the FIRST RESURRECTION because it's not about TIMING, is about DESIGNATION, the First to be resurrected are those of God, the next to be resurrected are those not of God a 1000 years later.
So, these ate the Tribulation Saints who come to Jesus AFTER the Rapture. Thus the Saints seen in Rev. 7:9-17 CAN NOT be the Tribulation SAints, can they? They have to be the Raptured Church Age Saints because PEOPLE DO NOT GO TO Heaven when they die, 1 Cor 15 plainly tells us that. We are raised when Jesus returns.
1 Cor. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are raised when Jesus calls us home, and the DEAD are raised at the EXACT SAME TIME !! Thus the ONLY EXPLANATION for the Revelation 7:9-17 Saints being in Heaven is the Rapture of the Pre 70th week Church Age Saints who are raised from the dead, along with the living. If the "RAPTURE" was at the very end, as you suggest, there could be NO Saints in Heaven in Rev. 7:9-17, because as we are CLEARLY TOLD in 1 Cor. 15:52, the DEAD are RAISED at the Last Trump.
LAST TRUMP IS SEEN HERE: Below
Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Jesus' voice is the Last Trump, in a Judean Wedding, the father would send the groom to get the bride, most of the times, after midnight, thus they blew a SHOFAR to wake up the guests because if you did not make the wedding, you would be shut out of the wedding. This is why it's called the Last Trump. If you miss the wedding as the 5 virgins did, you will be shut out, thus you will go through the 70th week tribulation period.
Paradise is a HOLDING PLACE for souls, look it up. N matter where it at, it's not Heaven and we are not judged and raised from the dead until 1 Cor. 15:52, just as Paul tells us, the dead will be rased at the LAST TRUMP.
Paradise / Heaven is not a corner of sheol / hades. Such a notion is misleading. It is God's Paradise / Heaven. Those who died in Christ, whose names are written in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain, are free to go and are exempt from God's judgement, they are not subject to the inescapable judgement of God. The chains of death has already been finally conquered, at Christ Yeshua's crucifixion at Calvary, and sheol / hades opened for the souls who died in the hope of Christ Yeshua's work of salvation to have had to come. The might of sheol / hades over children of God, was conquered by Christ Yeshua for all those, past, present and future who died / would die, in their hope and belief in Christ Yeshua's work of salvation by God.
Luke 23 (New King James Version)
43And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
2 Corinthians 12 (New King James Version)
2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(Note: First heaven - the clouds and the atmosphere, second heaven - the solar system, stars and the universe, third Heaven - the abode of God in the heavens)
Revelation 2 (New King James Version)
7“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
https://biblehub.com/greek/3857.htm
3857. paradeisos
Strong's Concordance
paradeisos: a park, a garden, a paradise
Original Word: παράδεισος, ου, ὁ
Englishman's Concordance
Luke 23:43 N-DMS
GRK: ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ
NAS: to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.
KJV: me in paradise.
INT: in Paradise
2 Corinthians 12:4 N-AMS
GRK: εἰς τὸν παράδεισον καὶ ἤκουσεν
NAS: was caught up into Paradise and heard
KJV: into paradise, and
INT: to Paradise and heard
Revelation 2:7 N-DMS
GRK: ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: which is in the Paradise of God.'
KJV: in the midst of the paradise of God.
INT: in the paradise of God
Just with a quick snap back (I'm in a hurry), this is very simple. When did Jesus go to Heaven? Three days after his death he arose, saw Mary, told her to touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father. So, on that Good Friday, the day he died and the day the Theif died, did either one go to Heaven? No, they went to Paradise, where it is said that Jesus preached to those souls.
That was also where the thief went on THAT DAY Good Friday, not to Heaven.
You know this is true brother. You are too intelligent, you know the facts are not with you here. SMILE.
At the day of His death, on the preparation day before the high Sabbath Passover, Christ Yeshua died and his sole went to hades / sheol, where He opened its gates only for the soles of the departed, who were faithful in God's salvation, with there soles there at the time, in order for them to enter Paradise / Heaven with Him. When the repented-in-life criminal, crucified next to Him died, the repented-in-life criminal, as a faithful believer in Christ Yeshua's salvation, were not destined for sheol / hades, but for Paradise / Heaven / the abode of God - together with Christ Yeshua and the remainder of the faithful dead soles. There in Paradise / Heaven / in the abode of God, Christ Yeshua, the conqueror of the departed faithful soles' chains of sheol / hades, rested until the third day and third night had past, which was until after the high Sabbath of Passover and the accompanying seventh day Sabbath. Christ Yeshua's sole was resurrected into a glorified earthly body, during his work of resurrection on the first day of the week, following the seventh day Sabbath. This was after three days and three nights, that His dead body spent in the earth, whilst His sole was in Paradise / Heaven / in the abode of God. On the first day of the week Christ Yeshua's unified His sole with His glorified body at His work of resurrection. His glorified body as unified with His sole was taken up into Paradise / Heaven / into the obode of God at His ascension, which happened after He spent 40 days on earth in His glorified body among the faithful believers.
Purgatory of the sole, is an invented concept, imposed by an earthly institution upon faithful believers. Christ Yeshua already opened the gates of sheol / hades, for all the faithful departed soles, and those to come at His crucifixion. The faithful departed soles are currently in Paradise / Heaven / in the abode of God, in the presence of Christ Yeshua who sits on the throne at the right hand of God the Father, in the omnipresence of God the Holy Spirit, all awaiting the soles of those coming to Paradise / Heaven / the abode of God. The faithful departed soles will from Paradise / Heaven / in the abode of God, be resurrected to be united with their glorified bodies here on earth. This will happen at their rapture into the clouds, together with the transfigured faithful who are still alive. Those still alive will be changed into their glorified bodies, in the twinkling of an eye, at the second coming of Christ Yeshua, immediately after the great tribulation, for the marriage supper of the Bridegroom, the Lamb that was slain, and His Bride, his faithful in their glorified bodies.
Its called a Great Gulf betwixt the good of God and the Evil. No matter where it is at, it is not in Heaven. The dead in Christ are RAISED at the last Trump, no words you say sir can change that scripture. Those seen in Rev. 9:9-17 come out of the Church Age. We see the Raptured Church in Rev. 4:4 and 5:9-10 BEFORE the Seals are opened.
Those not understanding the Rapture is pre-trib have been fooled by Satan.
Two men died on the cross with Christ Yeshua.
Out of the body, the one went to hades / sheol to be locked away awaiting his trial and sentence to the pool of fire at the Great White throne judgement, following Christ Yeshua's Millennial Kingdom.
Out of the body, the other was released to Paradise / Heaven together with Christ Yeshua, and all the faithful dead, to be resurrected to earth at the return of Christ Yeshua to earth at the commencement of His Millennial Kingdom on earth, to be raptured into the clouds with those who survived the great tribulation. After the faithful's rapture to the clouds with Christ Yeshua, Christ Yeshua descends to stand on the Mount of Olives, to conquer His Millennial Kingdom and reign with the faithful resurrected and transfigured here on earth for a thousand years, and to bind satan for a thousand years. At the end of Christ Yeshua's Millennial Kingdom here on earth Satan is released for the Battle of Gog and Magog, before satan and his followers are cast in the great lake of fire at God's Great White Throne judgement, and the God's faithful inherit the New Jerusalem on the New Earth under the New Heaven.
Luke 23 (New King James Version)
43And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
2 Corinthians 12 (New King James Version)
2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Matthew 8 (New King James Version)
10When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.
10When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.
Nothing there prevents paradise from being adjacent to hell AT THE TIME Jesus spoke those words.
He said "in the future"...basically.