Civil war coming to America?

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In the event of a coup or a takeover, would you take up arms to restore lawful authority to America?

  • Yes. I would take up arms until every last traitor was rounded up and put on trial.

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Yes, but in a limited manner. I would take up arms to protect my community from traitors.

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • No, I would not take up arms, unless my family was directly threatened.

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • No, I would not take up arms. All forms of killing are sin.

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • Other. The above actions do not properly describe the action I would take.

    Votes: 15 51.7%

  • Total voters
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Dude653

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I would make that title "Jail Time Coming to America".

If all the Deep State operatives, the Antifa thugs, the MS-13 gangsters, the various mafias controlling criminal enterprises, the criminals who have been released when they should be behind bars, and all the traitors and seditionists who are presently running around America were arrested, convicted, and sentenced to serious prison time, there would be no talk of civil war coming to America.
nice try but it was trumper's who tried to stage a violent insurrection at the Capitol
 
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KT88

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I can see presenting facts to MAGA people is a real waste of time.
 

Lisamn

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EleventhHour

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I'm not saying he did a perfect job, there were many factors involved in the "deal". Any president has to deal with both the house and the senate.

In my opinion they should have let the banks sink with the crisis they created due to deregulation brought in by the previous GOP gov. They didn't deserve a a bail out. They got off far too easily.

In the stituation of 2008, allowing some banks to fail would have been a disaster beyond what it already was, failure of big banks can destroy an economy.

Not all banks were rescued, some were allowed to fail as it would have minimal impact on the larger economy.
Having said that, banks cannot lend out money and then expect bail outs.
The reserve reeled in liquidity, this hampers banks efforts to take on risky loans and was able to control inflation.
 
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KT88

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I meant in general...you give Obama a pass.
No I presented graphs that showed Pres. Obama left office with the a rising economy and a falling unemployment rate.
 

Lisamn

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No I presented graphs that showed Pres. Obama left office with the a rising economy and a falling unemployment rate.
If that were true...Clinton wouldn’t have lost to trump and his maga rallies.
 
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In the stituation of 2008, allowing some banks to fail would have been a disaster beyond what it already was, failure of big banks can destroy an economy.
We'll never know.

Not all banks were rescued, some were allowed to fail as it would have minimal impact on the larger economy.
Having said that, banks cannot lend out money and then expect bail outs.

The reserve reeled in liquidity, this hampers banks efforts to take on risky loans and was able to control inflation.
At the expense of a massive deficit. Harper did the same in Canada, which went against his conservative values.
 
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We'll never know.


At the expense of a massive deficit. Harper did the same in Canada, which went against his conservative values.
Actually we do know, a run on the banks is a disaster and it cannot be allowed to happen when the government has other tools to deal with a crisis.


And to your second point there are worse things than a massive deficit, especially with regards to the financial crisis of 2008.
 

Lisamn

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Actually we do know, a run on the banks is a disaster and it cannot be allowed to happen when the government has other tools to deal with a crisis.
The problem is the culprits get away basically Scot free.

And to your second point there are worse things than a massive deficit, especially with regards to the financial crisis of 2008.
The problem with this point is it's the taxpayer that gets the bill. Fine if the banks and capitalists get to pay back. At least the motor companies paid back the bailout money. So if the deal had been structured on a pay back plan then ya bail them out with tax payer cash.
 

Dude653

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Lol...but I know...there is really nothing to say...its not the same at all and no one condemned those attacks but in the case of Portland allowed them for over 100 days. That mayor even tried making friends with the violent rioters...he saw nothing indeed. He should have wanted to stop it..but let it keep going.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/portland-protests-mayor/index.html
I agree with you on the lefts failure to condemn BLM violence
However we can't ignore the fact that right-wingers have become dangerously radicalize due to Trump's demagoguery and rhetoric
 

Lisamn

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I agree with you on the lefts failure to condemn BLM violence
However we can't ignore the fact that right-wingers have become dangerously radicalize due to Trump's demagoguery and rhetoric
Lol...have they? How many were at the rally...and how many went into the capital building? Was the capital building trashed? Some guy was trying to knock out a window and some other guy stopped him. As far as I know the capital building is fine...unlike...Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, New York, Kenosha when the left rioted. So..I think that’s a big no..the right aren’t radicalized.
 

Dude653

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Lol...have they? How many were at the rally...and how many went into the capital building? Was the capital building trashed? Some guy was trying to knock out a window and some other guy stopped him. As far as I know the capital building is fine...unlike...Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, New York, Kenosha when the left rioted. So..I think that’s a big no..the right aren’t radicalized.
yeah one of the rioters was carrying zip ties which meant he was planning on taking hostages
Fortunately the politicians they intended to harm were not present that day
 

Lisamn

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yeah one of the rioters was carrying zip ties which meant he was planning on taking hostages
Fortunately the politicians they intended to harm were not present that day
Interesting...where did you see that at?
 
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And then there is this

Mexico Demands Explanation for Obama-era Gun-walking Scandal

TUESDAY, MAY 19, 2020


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Nearly a decade has passed since the public first learned of the botched Obama-era gunwalking scandal Operation Fast and Furious. These days, Barack Obama spends his time collecting money from a lucrative Netflix contract, shuffling between lavish homes in Washington, D.C. and on Martha's Vineyard, and occasionally offering his tepid support for presumptive democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. Former Attorney General Eric Holder enjoys a profitable position as a "rainmaker" at high-powered D.C. law firm Covington. Meanwhile, those who lost loved ones to the Obama Department of Justice's misguided gun trafficking scheme are still searching for answers and accountability.
On Friday May 8, Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obradorshared his intent to demand that the U.S. provide Mexico with further information on Operation Fast and Furious. According to Reuters, the failed operation has once again come to the forefront of Mexican politics "amid a debate over historic U.S.-Mexico cooperation on security." Speaking of the gunwalking scheme at a news conference, Obrador said, "How could this be? A government that invades in this way, that flagrantly violates sovereignty, international laws."
The following Monday, Mexico Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard announced in a video message that the country had sent a diplomatic note to the U.S. Embassy seeking information on Operation Fast and Furious. The minister made clear who he wanted information on. Reuters reported that "In the video, Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard cited former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder as saying Mexican authorities knew about the 2009-2011 scheme known as ‘Fast and Furious’" and that "It was the first time Ebrard or President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador had made direct reference by name to a key U.S. figure connected to the program since the issue resurfaced in Mexico a week ago."
Operation Fast and Furious was largely run out of the Tucson and Phoenix ATF field offices. Agents would allow suspected illegal purchases of firearms by gun traffickers to take place and then track the guns with the purported goal of uncovering the workings of a larger criminal organization for which these individuals were purchasing firearms. In some cases, concerned FFLs were instructed by ATF to go forward with suspicious transactions. Rather than interdicting these firearms, ATF permitted the guns to flow into Mexico.
On December 14, 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot to death in a gunfight with armed criminals near the Mexican border. Following the incident, firearms used by the criminals were traced to Operation Fast and Furious. Subsequently, whistleblower ATF Agent John Dodson, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), intrepid gun rights supporters, and CBS journalist Sharyl Attkisson helped bring the truth of what happened to the public. Illustrating the opacity of the Obama DOJ, the DOJ inspector general was forced to open an investigation into whether the government had retaliated against Dodson after he came forward with information on the botched gunwalking scheme.
Word of the failed operation struck a nerve with gun rights advocates. Around the same time as the operation was taking place, American gun rights were being blamed by the Obama Administration for Mexico's crime problem.
In March 2009, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton scolded Americans, stating, “Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians.”In an interview with NBC's Andrea Mitchell that same month, Clinton endorsed a ban on commonly owned semi-automatics firearms. Mitchell brought up the problem of Mexican violence and a potential "assault weapons" ban, to which Clinton responded "I think these assault weapons, these military style weapons don't belong on any one's street."
By its conclusion, the failed operation involved as many as 2,000 firearms. The firearms have been found at numerous crime scenes in Mexico. As of 2016, Operation Fast and Furious firearms were linked to at least 69 killings. That same year, CBS news reported that one of the firearms was found at the hideout of notorious Mexican drug lord Joaquin "el Chapo" Guzman.
In 2012, the U.S. House of Representatives voted 255-67 to hold then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to hand over requested documents related to Operation Fast and Furious.
Mexico's request for further information on Operation Fast and Furious is understandable, given the Obama administration's extensive efforts to conceal the details of the gunwalking scheme. Moreover, American gun owners have an interest in a full accounting of the misguided operation.


American Democrats and other leftists, want us all to go away and pretend nothing happened.

Even Mexico would like answers it seems they are never going to get. Well I guess it would be hard for Mexico to forget when the guns coming from the US compliments of Holder with Obama's approval, are still being found at Mexican crime scenes

Nothing to see here. :confused:

Oh this article was put out by the NRA so they made it up? Agent Brian Terry was shot to death in a gunfight with armed criminals using guns Holden sent? WHERE IS THE HALF MAST FLAG FOR THAT? Nothing to see here
 
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Biden to Nominate Anti-Second Amendment Judge Merrick Garland for Attorney General
THURSDAY, JANUARY 7, 2021


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At a news conference on January 7th, President-elect Joe Biden announced he will nominate U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit Judge Merrick Garland for Attorney General. Biden’s choice of a noted Second Amendment opponent to lead the Department of Justice is an overt assault on gun rights and gun owners.
Following the death of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in February 2016, President Barack Obama nominated Garland as Justice Scalia’s replacement. With an understanding of Garland’s unacceptable jurisprudence, NRA strongly opposed Garland’s nomination and the Senate wisely chose not to consider the nomination.
Garland’s anti-Second Amendment position is clear from his record. Garland does not believe the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. On March 9, 2007, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia issued a ruling in Parker v. District of Columbia, the precursor to Heller v. District of Columbia. The opinion struck down the District of Columbia’s complete ban on the civilian ownership of handguns and recognized that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. Expressing disapproval of the panel’s ruling, Garland voted to rehear the case.
Moreover, Garland has worked to undermine a federal statute meant to protect gun owners from firearms registration. In the 2000 case NRA v. Reno, NRA sued to stop the Department of Justice from retaining successful National Instant Criminal Backgrounds Check System (NICS) transaction records in what the agency termed an “audit log.” In relation to NICS, federal law (18 U.S.C. 922(t)(2)(c)) requires the government to “destroy all records of the system with respect to the call (other than the identifying number and the date the number was assigned) and all records of the system relating to the person or the transfer.” In a three-judge panel, Garland joined a colleague to uphold this Department of Justice practice, imperiling the privacy of gun owners.


I will believe Biden et al are anti-gun when they take away the firearms of the Secret Police and others who protect the cowards who wish to disarm the nation

I don't have any guns so don't bother to try that one on. Nothing to see here, right?