Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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eternally-gratefull

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Says hang not abolish might want to rethink that.
I ever said abolish

once again, your comprehension skills are lacking

atop assuming you know what others are saying and open up your mind, you may learn something,

otherwise remain where you are, and continue to be lacking
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Without the Spirit you can't follow your man fabricated doctrine.
I never said you could

but I could have the spirit and not follow those two commands. When I do that, I am in sin,

that’s the defenition of sin my friend, failure to love in all aspects of life. Because when I fail to love others, I turn to self and that’s when I will start breaking Gods commands.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The feast days were ceremonial in preparation for the coming and sacrifice of Christ


How ironic says the man that believes there is one or two commandments.
Dude, for Someone who insists we follow Gods commands, yu continue to break the command about bearing False witness, I never said there were only two. I never said the commands where no longer valid (break they and you sin) and I have never said their were only two

your pride has you blinded to anything I say, you look through blinders, that’s why you can not compretend.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Could it be that the purpose behind all these posts of yours is to promote wanting to be disobedient?
another slanderous proud post from a lawyer

you spend every moment yu are here telling everyone they should follow the law. But only parts of the law. You insist we do not have to follow them all. So you also are lying in Your response to me
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I guess you will never understand the context of (Matthew 22) if you don't know what a summary means.
Oh I know perfectly well.
in obeying those two commands, by practice yu will not break the how ever ma y commands god has given in his word,

you seem to think it is only ten? Or six hundred some? Man, if you just follow them, you will never know what true righteousness looks like
 

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It's in context which is why you have no response to what Paul said. The law worked wrath...that's a bad thing. Only the law of Christ of the new covenant is a blessing.
You are not following Paul at all. Paul is explaining all about the law and all these explanations have a conclusion. Your conclusion is not the conclusion that Paul gives us. Here are some of the conclusions Paul gives us:
Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom_6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom_7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
 

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In Exodus 23:14-17, God says,

14 “Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt. And no one is to appear before Me empty-handed. 16 Also you shall keep the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17 Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.

"You shall" and "as I commanded you" don't sound like "suggestions" to me. Rather, they sound like laws which is appropriate as they are part of the Law.
It slipped my mind, you have so often stated that we are not obliged, you say. And it is because of your interpretation of the Lord speaking to Israel only.

I feel we should understand about this interpretation of scripture as there are so many Christians who agree on "Israel only". I made a post about this, thinking it would be a good idea to discuss this, but only one person responded. That person agreed with my position that God is a God of all men and wanted the idol worshipping gentiles to listen to Him and accept Him as the one true God. I think it is important we understand this through the Lord's eyes, and that is helped so much when Christians give their view.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The feasts outline the plan the Lord has for our salvation, from Christ at Passover to the new heaven and earth at the feast of Tabernacles.
Yep to lead us to christ

now take them along with the ministers of death written in stone, and you have a complete law that should lead you to Christ,

so in review

the ministers of death written in stone (the Ten Commandments) expose your sin, and your guilt and your failure to live up to Gods standard

The temple itself exposes our separation, as We are outside, and God is in the most holy place. And we can not approach him

the sacrifices needed for forgiveness because we broke the commands, show what must be done in order to restore us

the ceremonial laws show what Christ is going to do

all leading to bring us to our knee like the tax collector and call out to God
 
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eternally-gratefull

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(Hebrews 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; [This is speaking after Christ's final sacrifice so sorry your mistaken Law is still there not abolished]
For non believers, your correct

for believers, it has no power,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This cannot be, for the ten commandments were given by Moses and they contain ways to love. If we love we do not lie, do not steal, do not murder. Moses was also told to give commands that are not laws but that taught the Israelites about the law like diet to teach keeping pure and fleshly circumcision to teach to be circumcised to the lord. Paul called them schoolmasters. These are the laws of Moses. The holy spirit replaces these laws.
Lol

they do not contain ways to love, they contains ways to prove your a sinner!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't think they realize the ritual laws ordinances one had to follow in order to be justified to God but obviously Christ's sacrifice fulfilled all this.
In order to be justified, you had to do what Moses commanded,

confirm and obey every word of this law. Otherwise, you are cursed

paul tried to show this to you all in Galatians When he repeated Moses command.
no one can be justified by thenlaw the law brings knowledge of sin, but it has no answer to the problem of sin,

that’s what you lawyers seem to fail to grasp.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How can you possible separate the laws that the Lord gave to man? The only separation I can see in the laws is the separation of love. God is love, and if a law reflects love, how can you say it is not of God so we are "no longer in bondage".

Obedience to law gives freedom, not bondage. If it binds and is not a blessing, it is not a law of the Lord. Just ask an alcoholic or a person with any addiction if he is in bondage or freedom. To love is to be free, to hate is to be in bondage.
You do not seperate them, you put them where they belong

if I commit adultry, I am in sin, that command is still valid,

the law can not tell me what it looks like to commit adultry. What every possibility of breaking that command is, how to not break it, and does not give the ability to be forgiven once you break its
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I never mentioned feasts days once although I do think you should acknowledge communion with non alcoholic grape juice.
Once again, the law is a whole

you advocate the law is in effect. Hence you must advocate it all.

thats the point he is trying to show you
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Before you put words in my mouth which is all your good at why don't you just ask my belief which is Christ's sacrifice fulfilled those feast that were in preparation for his coming and sacrifice.
He fulfilled the law

the law is inclusive,

included in that all inclusive law is the commands,

yur watering down the law to fit your belief system.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm not imposing anything Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments but others are telling me there are none to keep but love.
No one says this

we day if we keep these two we will not break the others

again, your blindness and pride are exposed,