The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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No. Blasphemy is attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to the enemy.
Unbelievers retain their sin because they are not in Christ Jesus.
Only believers in Christ are forgiven of their sin.
Its the only way to be free from the law of sin and death. Its why we are not under law but under grace.
Unbelievers retain their sin because they are not in Christ Jesus.
Only believers in Christ are forgiven of their sin.
Its the only way to be free from the law of sin and death. Its why we are not under law but under grace.
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I understand why you do not want an answer. I do not believe that the scriptures support the reign of Christ staying on earth after his second coming and reigning over his kingdom. His kingdom came in the form of his bride, the church, in the generation of his apostles preaching, repent, for the kingdom of heaven (the church) is at hand.
You do understand that God inspired his words to be a mystery to the wise and prudent, and revealed them (through the revelation of the Holy Spirit) unto babes in Christ, do you not?
You do understand that God inspired his words to be a mystery to the wise and prudent, and revealed them (through the revelation of the Holy Spirit) unto babes in Christ, do you not?
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The payment for the sins of the elect was made in a covenant relationship within the Godhead on the cross, and secured the elect's eternal inheritance.
The elect are born into this world dead spiritually after the sin of Adam, the same as the rest of mankind, and sometime in their lives here on earth, having already been Justified and redeemed on the cross, God quickens them to a spiritual life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
The scriptures, if harmonized, will support these truths.
The elect are born into this world dead spiritually after the sin of Adam, the same as the rest of mankind, and sometime in their lives here on earth, having already been Justified and redeemed on the cross, God quickens them to a spiritual life with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
The scriptures, if harmonized, will support these truths.
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Your understanding of the gospel seems very disjointed and inconsistent with actual scripture. Since you claim to be saved by election Why would God convict you of sin? All God needs to do in the case of election is exercise His sovereign will and you are saved even if it's against your will.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Believing is not the "cause" of our eternal deliverance, but is a product of already having been quickened to a spiritual life.
Eph 2:5 says that we are quickened together with Christ, so, how do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13? "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself". Unbelievers that have not been quickened, and are not of the elect, will not be quickened.
None of the elect believe until after they have been born again, and even after they have been born again, and are new born babes in Christ, they believe in God, but until they mature through a gradual growth of hearing the gospel, by the revelation of the Holy Ghost, they do not have a knowledge of God's righteousness. This fact is depicted in Rom 10, where paul is praying that Israel ( which is the church, Jacob surname Israel, and not the nation of Israel, because all Israel is not of Israel Rom 9:6) might be saved (delivered from their lack of knowledge) because the men that he was praying for "had a zeal of God" (indicating that they were born again) but not according to knowledge. and were going about trying to establish their own righteousness, by their works, and not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God.
This is why Jesus instructed his apostles to go and preach to the lost sheep (new born babes in Christ) of the house of Israel (Jacob/Israel, the church) Matt 10:6
Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and are "drawn" from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.
John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me "draw" him, and I will raise him up at the last day. God does not draw the unregenerate, but those that he has quickened, new born babes in Christ
I believe that Matt 7, about the two gates will harmonize with the fact that those who find the strait gate, are those regenerated children of God who have matured in their knowledge of the righteousness of God that has lead them to that good and abundant life here on earth, whom God has purposed to teach and preach the doctrine of Jesus to those regenerated, new born babes in Christ who go into the wide gate, and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their good works, and are not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God, which leads them to destruction.
Preaching the righteousness of a spiritual God to the unregenerate natural man, depicted in 1 Cor 2:14 would be non productive because he cannot hear to discern, the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28.
Eph 2:5 says that we are quickened together with Christ, so, how do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13? "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself". Unbelievers that have not been quickened, and are not of the elect, will not be quickened.
None of the elect believe until after they have been born again, and even after they have been born again, and are new born babes in Christ, they believe in God, but until they mature through a gradual growth of hearing the gospel, by the revelation of the Holy Ghost, they do not have a knowledge of God's righteousness. This fact is depicted in Rom 10, where paul is praying that Israel ( which is the church, Jacob surname Israel, and not the nation of Israel, because all Israel is not of Israel Rom 9:6) might be saved (delivered from their lack of knowledge) because the men that he was praying for "had a zeal of God" (indicating that they were born again) but not according to knowledge. and were going about trying to establish their own righteousness, by their works, and not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God.
This is why Jesus instructed his apostles to go and preach to the lost sheep (new born babes in Christ) of the house of Israel (Jacob/Israel, the church) Matt 10:6
Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and are "drawn" from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.
John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me "draw" him, and I will raise him up at the last day. God does not draw the unregenerate, but those that he has quickened, new born babes in Christ
I believe that Matt 7, about the two gates will harmonize with the fact that those who find the strait gate, are those regenerated children of God who have matured in their knowledge of the righteousness of God that has lead them to that good and abundant life here on earth, whom God has purposed to teach and preach the doctrine of Jesus to those regenerated, new born babes in Christ who go into the wide gate, and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their good works, and are not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God, which leads them to destruction.
Preaching the righteousness of a spiritual God to the unregenerate natural man, depicted in 1 Cor 2:14 would be non productive because he cannot hear to discern, the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28.
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Saved according to Greek = delivered. There is a deliverance for the regenerated child of god when he has matured enough to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (of the word) and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little and there a little.
The unregenerate natural man, depicted in 1 Cor 2:14 will never come to a knowledge of spiritual truths that he cannot discern, and thinks them to be foolishness.
Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (of the word) and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little and there a little.
The unregenerate natural man, depicted in 1 Cor 2:14 will never come to a knowledge of spiritual truths that he cannot discern, and thinks them to be foolishness.
Christ died for the sins of the elect, those that his Father gave him, and in a covenant relationship with the Godhead, secured eternal inheritance for them John 6:39.
The elect are born into this world spiritually dead after the sin of Adam, just the same way all mankind are born into this world.
Sometime in their life the elect are quickened to a new spiritual life, having already been justified by Christ on the cross. The rest of mankind are never quickened.
God gave mankind the freedom to choose how he wants to live his live as he sojourns here in this world, but mankind's eternal inheritance, and spiritual birth, is by God's sovereign grace, without the input of mankind's will.
John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit.
The elect are born into this world spiritually dead after the sin of Adam, just the same way all mankind are born into this world.
Sometime in their life the elect are quickened to a new spiritual life, having already been justified by Christ on the cross. The rest of mankind are never quickened.
God gave mankind the freedom to choose how he wants to live his live as he sojourns here in this world, but mankind's eternal inheritance, and spiritual birth, is by God's sovereign grace, without the input of mankind's will.
John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit.
Jesus's sacrifice to pay for the sins of those elect that his Father gave him, was not offered to man for man's acceptance, but was offered to God, for God's acceptance.
God did not offer man spiritual life. He quickens them to a spiritual life when they are spiritually dead, and cannot repent of breaking a spiritual law that they cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness. Eph 2:1 & 5.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.
God did not offer man spiritual life. He quickens them to a spiritual life when they are spiritually dead, and cannot repent of breaking a spiritual law that they cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness. Eph 2:1 & 5.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.
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