The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[ForestGreenCook]

you Would have to really add so much that is not proven to come to this conclusion. It also takes so much away from the work of the HS. As the means to which we come to faith, as basically says that is not even needed. Because they would come to faith or matter what based solely on the fact christ died for the,

in fact, faith would not even be included, because they would have been saved the moment jesus died, they would have been born saved, and if they died before they came to faith, they would have been saved even in unbelief

The natural man does not have spiritual faith, nor does he believe in the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness. until he has been born again, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

again, this is not true.

Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, one who does not believe in effect calls the HS, who has been Gods teacher of his salvation from the beginning a liar. In effect blaspheming him.

if Christ died for the sin of unbelief, THEN no one could be condemned, but that did not happen.

it’s why he said, those who have no believed are condemned already. Because they have not believed.

unbelief is the only thing that will condemn a person.

Condemned to what?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Nope it is you my friend,

Christ died for everyone,

if he did not, he is not the God of love he claims to be

period

God does not love all mankind, and did not dir for all mankind, You are ignoring some scriptures. We do not know the mind of God.
He instructed Israel to kill every man, woman, and child, and animal. Who are you to question God by ignoring the scriptures that depict God's wrath.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

you can’t glorify Christ based on a false precept. If anything, it takes away from christ

his death is glorified, in the fact that all who willingly believe, his goal, is saved,

him having to send people to hell does also not take away from him, because he offered them salvation, they rejected it.

either way, Christ is glorified

Jesus was a sacrifice to God, for God's acceptance, for the sins of those that God gave him. Jesus's sacrifice was offered to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.

The natural unregenerate man will not accept the things of the Spirit, and thinks they are foolishness, until he has been born again, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The problem isn't that the religion of man doesn't understand eternal salvation it is the religion of man itself.
Faith in Christ is not religion because religion is merely a word used to describe a set beliefs and religious practice but the bond and relationship we have with him far exceeds a bitter word like that.

God is all knowing and knew what would happen before it even began so on one hand it makes sense why some believe in predestination or pre elction however we can cherry pick all the scriptures we want but without looking deeper we might as well not post scripture at all.
There is a certain pattern God has always had all throughout the bible, he always gives a chance of repentence he always warns what will happen if we don't he always tells us or warns us before he does anything but he knows what will happen before it does right? So why then does he give chances? Why does he warn why does he allow call for repentance?

This is pointless if only those who are his from before hand could be saved

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God gave mankind the freedom to make choices in the way he wants to live his life, as they sojourn here in this world, But God does not give mankind the choice in his eternal inheritance. That is made by God's sovereign grace, without man's choice.

Mankind's choice was not to seek God, and that is why God choose a people as his elect, Eph 1:4, and had his Son to die and redeem them from their sins, John 6:39, and quicken them to a new spiritual life, Eph 2:1 so that he would have a people that would give him praise and honour.

The natural, unregenerate, man will never repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness 1 Cor 2:14. Only the born again spiritual person will have the changed heart, Ezek 11:19, whose conscience can be pricked to feel guilt, Acts 2:37, and repent.

All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught. You call it "cherry picking". I call it harmonizing the scriptures.

Scripture is essential in determining anyone's understanding of the truths in them, and should be included within their posts. Too many voice their personal interpretations in writing statements, without quoting the scriptures that support their statements.

This post is in reply to post # 165

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It takes away from Christ to say He died for people who are lost. That automatically mean you don't believe in the Saving Death of Christ. That doesn't Glorify Christ or God period.

Respectfully, I would like to correct you.

Christ, did indeed, die for the lost, his elect. His sheep, even after they have been born again, can be lost from not having a knowledge of God's righteousness, Rom 10:2, For I bear them record that they have a "zeal" of God, but not according to knowledge. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.(his sheep that are babes in Christ), For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little. Isaiah 28:9-10.

 

[Duskey]

The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25, or His People Matt 1:21.

His death for His people produces saving results Jn 12:32-33 23,24

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

John 3:16-17
Romans 10:9-10
That’s not religion; its love.

 

[notuptome]

Respectfully, I would like to correct you.

Christ, did indeed, die for the lost, his elect. His sheep, even after they have been born again, can be lost from not having a knowledge of God's righteousness, Rom 10:2, For I bear them record that they have a "zeal" of God, but not according to knowledge. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.(his sheep that are babes in Christ), For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little. Isaiah 28:9-10.

According to your lopsided logic only Jews would be saved. Jews are the elect of God in the sense in which you use the term.

God made all men and God desires that all men should be saved. Only those who reject the blood of Christ will be lost. Those who are lost are lost against the will of God because they reject His mercy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The inheritance is for the Sheep not mankind Matt 25:34

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

Those on His left hand don't inherit, but their portion is everlasting fire Matt 25:41

That is what I am saying. The sheep have an eternal inheritance, and neither the sheep, nor the goats have a decision in it.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

He does not want to. We all started that way. You were not born into some "master class".

I agree with this statement. We are all born into this world, by natural birth, quilty, and without hope, until God quickens us to a spiritual life.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Posts like this one cause me to wonder what purpose God raised... certain people on this thread.

Maybe you are like most of the population in Jesus's days on earth, that wondered why God raised up Jesus.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

After we have been regenerated and are walking in faith we have no need for repenting, but the fact of the matter is, that we do not always walk in faith, and then we are in need of repentance.

The natural, unregenerate, man will never repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14. Repentance is reserved for those who have already been regenerated.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You mean a condemned person can get to heaven?

come on man, sometimes common sense is in order. Your probably the only person I know who this is this way

Surly you do not believe that you never commit a sin. Do you not understand that after you have been regenerated an commit a sin, that God condemns,(punish, call in question, avenge, sentence to think) and chastens you for that sin?

I may be the only person that you know who thinks this way, because we are few in number, that find, the doctrine that Jesus taught, through the revelation of the Holy Ghost, that leads to that good and abundant life here on earth,Matt 7:14.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

He died for the world

he died for the lost so they could be saved

He died for his elect, who were lost.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

IF we have faith in that offering that is. Otherwise it is of no effect.

Wrong. The natural unregenerate man only has faith in mankind. He does not have spiritual faith, 1 Cor 2:14, which is given as a fruit of the Holy Spirit, Gal 5:22, in regeneration.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

According to your lopsided logic only Jews would be saved. Jews are the elect of God in the sense in which you use the term.

God made all men and God desires that all men should be saved. Only those who reject the blood of Christ will be lost. Those who are lost are lost against the will of God because they reject His mercy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

God's elect people are represented by Jacob surname Israel,Rom 9:11, which is made up to include every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. All Israel is not of Israel, Rom 9:6.

Jesus's sacrifice was to God, for God's acceptance, nad not to man, for man's acceptance.

God does according to his will and has his way among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand, Dan 4:35.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Wrong. The natural unregenerate man only has faith in mankind. He does not have spiritual faith, 1 Cor 2:14, which is given as a fruit of the Holy Spirit, Gal 5:22, in regeneration.

You continue to promote your false gospel as though it is the truth. The Bible calls such people blind leaders of the blind.

The natural unregenerate person is perfectly capable of understanding the Gospel and obeying (or disobeying) the Gospel. Otherwise there would be no need for the Gospel.

 

[Corban]

There is a world that God so loves, and there is a world that God tells us not to love. You are using the word world in the wrong context.

A strange argument. I didn't use the word "world". Scripture did. The word is "kosmos" in the Greek. It's literal translation is "the adornment", or "the orderly arrangement of things" You have to decide on its connotation. You tell me now about,

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world (kosmos), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

1 John 2:15
"Love not the world (kosmos), neither the things that are in the world (kosmos). If any man love the world (kosmos), the love of the Father is not in him."

 

[pottersclay]

My mind is made up, Christ died only for His Sheep, period! Any scripture referring to the Death of Christ, who it's for, it's exclusively His Sheep!

I see where your coming from but you have a distorted view on the subject. It is very complex it wasn't just the death of Christ but the very offering . Let's start with Christ own words.
He said " no man takes my life but I lay it down" now let's build from there.