If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

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Magenta

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he had a choice, and if he had chosen not to join her, sin would not have entered the world, right?
Well, since both sinned, but only Adam held responsible, as in, through one man sin and death entered the world, it would seem so.

hmm there are a few words for that, none of them good
Heh, my thoughts exactly:unsure::giggle:


that's why i get in such a stir about the super-common position that Adam '
blamed his wife' to God. he said to God, 'the woman You gave' -- so if he's casting blame with this statement, he's faulting God :oops: -- i don't believe at all that he is in any way doing anything but confessing his sin with repentance. what he is doing by saying this, tho, is as you say, he's expressing that he faults himself for letting this happen to his wife. he really loves her, and he is very intelligent, with great insight
Adam seems to be faulting both Eve and God. It is a prevalent problem.

Dunno why it auto edited weird like that...
 

Blik

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Well you must be objecting to someone else since I NEVER said we no longer need Christ. That is a fabrication.
I WAS objecting to others I have read who have used "it is finished" in ways I didn't think Christ meant, I know you didn't. I got carried away with the idea of speaking to a much wider audience than to you. Sorry.
 

posthuman

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Adam seems to be faulting both Eve and God. It is a prevalent problem.
if that is really the case, then Adam is giving God an excuse that there are no good words to describe, instead of repenting, confessing his sin, and looking for mercy.

can i do that today and expect to receive salvation & eternal life? how then did Adam receive those things from God if he's essentially calling God a murderer?
 

Beez

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Now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning
back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them
all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain.




Acts 13:38-39:)
Well, I just informed my husband that I declare him responsible for all my sins. Yeah. (Breathes deeply in new-found freedom.) Hee-hee. Don't you wish it worked that way?

Waaaalllll, upon second thought, no, I don't. :(

:D
 
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I don't think I'd agree with her being created because he was lonely, or with him fearing being alone. Christ walked with him in the garden, and if he had not sinned himself he would have still been in perfect fellowship with God.

But in my view too, he did this for her sake.
she was created for adam, not for the fun of it. Even God said that its not good for man to be alone.
 

posthuman

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she was created for adam, not for the fun of it. Even God said that its not good for man to be alone.
yes & to be an help, not to cure loneliness. Adam had a job: tend the garden ((Genesis 2:15)).
 
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Abraham wasn't Hebrew. not the covenant of Sinai, not commandments engraved in stones; the promise.
the covenant with Abraham was made at Genesis 15. "the law" came 430 years later to children of Abraham, not to Abraham; Galatians 3:17 same chapter[/QUO 1 Cor. 10:17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body, for we all partake of that one bread.
 
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you're contradicting yourself with these two statements. in both places exactly the same words are used, "the law" -- in one place you decide to break "the law" apart into pieces, as tho being guilty of one part isn't being guilty of all, or there are some "least commandments" you can ignore and teach others to ignore. in the other place you are saying none of "the law" is annulled but that the redeemed are under it, as tho the ones crucified with Him haven't died with Him, and were never & will never be made free from the curse that damns them.
Your contradicting yourself you can't group mans law and gods commandments together 1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But I guess the commandments are a curse according to you.
 

posthuman

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you can't group mans law and gods commandments together
what Moses wrote in the law, he said 'thus saith the LORD' --- Israel at Sinai said they could not bear to hear the LORD, please let them have Moses as a mediator instead of receiving commands from Him directly, and it was so. Exodus 20:18-19

if you call the Law apart from the decalogue 'man's law' you blaspheme and explicitly deny the scripture.
 
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what Moses wrote in the law, he said 'thus saith the LORD' --- Israel at Sinai said they could not bear to hear the LORD, please let them have Moses as a mediator instead of receiving commands from Him directly, and it was so. Exodus 20:18-19

if you call the Law apart from the decalogue 'man's law' you blaspheme and explicitly deny the scripture.
Yo still haven't Proven your view correct im talking about ceremonial laws which were foreshadowing the coming of Christ which we are no longer under and mans ordinances not gods commandments don't confuse the two. So what laws do you think were nailed to cross surely not Gods commandments their written in your heart Rom. 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit.
 

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Frankly, your post is almost incoherent.

"Sabbath" is not mentioned anywhere in chapters 13 and 14. The words in 14:7 are similar to those of the fourth commandment, but in the commandment, the fourth created thing identified is "and all that is in them", not "and the fountains of waters". Further, the angel is not telling John or his readers not to worship the beast in this section, but to "Fear God, and give Him glory...".

As for the number 7, yes, it does appear many times in Scripture. However, nothing in Scripture declares that it is "a complete number"; that's an inference made by readers. I don't accept the idea that the seven churches are (not 'is') "the whole church form the beginning to the end of the world". Those were seven local church fellowships that existed in the mid-to-late first century.
You are right. According to the Scriptures, the number He gives to us as the "complete" number is 8. I rarely run across it in Scripture. I have to think about it. :D
 
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Romans 10:17 + Galatians 3:5 :)
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Also please read Lev. 23:24,27,32,37-38 this will explain Col. 2:16 is talking about feasts days not Sabbath commandment a huge misconception.
 

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I don't think I'd agree with her being created because he was lonely, or with him fearing being alone. Christ walked with him in the garden, and if he had not sinned himself he would have still been in perfect fellowship with God.

But in my view too, he did this for her sake.
I agree with this also.
 

Beez

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1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Also please read Lev. 23:24,27,32,37-38 this will explain Col. 2:16 is talking about feasts days not Sabbath commandment a huge misconception.
I am so sorry -- I don't understand. I am missing something, I am sure. Your Colossians reference says that we are to do HIS commands about food, drink, festivals, new moons, and Sabbaths . . . yes, His Sabbaths and His only, but also Sabbaths. What did I miss? :) Thanks!
 

Beez

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posthuman said:
I don't think I'd agree with her being created because he was lonely, or with him fearing being alone. Christ walked with him in the garden, and if he had not sinned himself he would have still been in perfect fellowship with God.

But in my view too, he did this for her sake.

I agree with this also.
But that has to be right! It was in that poem from my childhood:

The Creation
James Weldon Johnson - 1871-1938

And God stepped out on space,
And he looked around and said:
I'm lonely—
I'll make me a world.
And far as the eye of God could see
Darkness covered everything,
Blacker than a hundred midnights
Down in a cypress swamp.
Then God smiled,
And the light broke,
And the darkness rolled up on one side,
And the light stood shining on the other,
And God said: That's good!
Then God reached out and took the light in his hands,
And God rolled the light around in his hands
Until he made the sun;
And he set that sun a-blazing in the heavens.
And the light that was left from making the sun
God gathered it up in a shining ball
And flung it against the darkness,
Spangling the night with the moon and stars.
Then down between
The darkness and the light
He hurled the world;
And God said: That's good!
Then God himself stepped down—
And the sun was on his right hand,
And the moon was on his left;
The stars were clustered about his head,
And the earth was under his feet.
And God walked, and where he trod
His footsteps hollowed the valleys out
And bulged the mountains up.
Then he stopped and looked and saw
That the earth was hot and barren.
So God stepped over to the edge of the world
And he spat out the seven seas—
He batted his eyes, and the lightnings flashed—
He clapped his hands, and the thunders rolled—
And the waters above the earth came down,
The cooling waters came down.
Then the green grass sprouted,
And the little red flowers blossomed,
The pine tree pointed his finger to the sky,
And the oak spread out his arms,
The lakes cuddled down in the hollows of the ground,
And the rivers ran down to the sea;
And God smiled again,
And the rainbow appeared,
And curled itself around his shoulder.
Then God raised his arm and he waved his hand
Over the sea and over the land,
And he said: Bring forth! Bring forth!
And quicker than God could drop his hand,
Fishes and fowls
And beasts and birds
Swam the rivers and the seas,
Roamed the forests and the woods,
And split the air with their wings.
And God said: That's good!
Then God walked around,
And God looked around
On all that he had made.
He looked at his sun,
And he looked at his moon,
And he looked at his little stars;
He looked on his world
With all its living things,
And God said: I'm lonely still.
Then God sat down—
On the side of a hill where he could think;
By a deep, wide river he sat down;
With his head in his hands,
God thought and thought,
Till he thought: I'll make me a man!
Up from the bed of the river
God scooped the clay;
And by the bank of the river
He kneeled him down;
And there the great God Almighty
Who lit the sun and fixed it in the sky,
Who flung the stars to the most far corner of the night,
Who rounded the earth in the middle of his hand;
This great God,
Like a mammy bending over her baby,
Kneeled down in the dust
Toiling over a lump of clay
Till he shaped it in is his own image;
Then into it he blew the breath of life,
And man became a living soul.

Amen. Amen.

Oh. I am sorry -- I am wrong. It doesn't mention Adam's loneliness. :LOL:
But it is a nice poem. :)
 
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you're contradicting yourself with these two statements. in both places exactly the same words are used, "the law" -- in one place you decide to break "the law" apart into pieces, as tho being guilty of one part isn't being guilty of all, or there are some "least commandments" you can ignore and teach others to ignore. in the other place you are saying none of "the law" is annulled but that the redeemed are under it, as tho the ones crucified with Him haven't died with Him, and were never & will never be made free from the curse that damns them.
You are free from sin and death not gods commandments don't confuse the two 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.