If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

[UnitedWithChrist]

you think women should not wear pants.

so, of course you also think that faith and trust in Christ is not sufficient for salvation.

You probably aren't talking to me but I don't care if a woman wears pants as long as she isn't trying to be manlike.

I do think a dress is much more attractive, though...just not very handy sometimes.

Of course, all dress should be modest for both sexes.

By the way, Ellen G. White made up this weird dress that included pants with it. It was called the Reform Dress. It was practically required for SDA women. Some wouldn't even go out in public often because it was so embarrassing to wear.

I remember reading about women who were so embarrassed by it, they would hide from other women if they saw them in the streets to avoid being seen in it.

 

[gb9]

You probably aren't talking to me but I don't care if a woman wears pants as long as she isn't trying to be manlike.

I do think a dress is much more attractive, though...just not very handy sometimes.

Of course, all dress should be modest for both sexes.

By the way, Ellen G. White made up this weird dress that included pants with it. It was called the Reform Dress. It was practically required for SDA women. Some wouldn't even go out in public often because it was so embarrassing to wear.

I remember reading about women who were so embarrassed by it, they would hide from other women if they saw them in the streets to avoid being seen in it.

no, i was referring to bud

of course ellen white something like this.

i mean, this is the first time i saw this, but have 0 surprise that she came up with it.

 

[bud62]

The Sabbath is typological of the rest found in Christ. So was the Promised Land.

If a person wants to observe it, fine..but too many of them claim that non-observers aren't even Christians. Why? Because they claim that the Sabbath is a continual, binding commandment, and those who don't observe it are in sin.

Concerning the Roman Catholic Church, Rome was only one bishopric of several. The view of church history that cultists have is defective. Somehow they think that Rome made the decision to "cancel the Sabbath". It is true that in the late fourth century the Church anathematized Judaizers who were causing trouble in the Church, but long before this, the vast majority of Christians had ceased to observe the Sabbath...in fact by the early second century. Even the SDA scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi admits this...therefore he denied the vision that the SDA leader Ellen G. White had, claiming that the Pope changed the Sabbath. The Pope didn't even exist by that time..there was a bishop of Rome but he had nothing to do with it.

Regarding whether the Sabbath will be observed in the future, there are two views of that....I would associate one with dispensationalism, and they claim that Jews will reinstitute the Mosaic Law and will be observing it. The other camp views the words of the Prophets regarding this as typological of obedience to God. In their view, the Jews during the Millennium will not be keeping the Sabbath but observing the Sabbath is communicating to the Israelites that in the future all will be obeying God in all things.

My position is that the Sabbath belongs to the old order..it pointed to Jesus. Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week as a new creation. Believers are joined with Jesus, and are also the firstfruits of the new creation. We meet on Sunday to commemorate the resurrection, and the fact that we belong to the new creation, and not the old order.

Regarding your claims, Jesus said that the Sabbath was created for man....there is no evidence that it was created in the creation week. It says that God rested on the seventh day. There is no evidence that any man before Moses' time rested on the Sabbath, so it is reasonable that it is part of the Mosaic Law. There were other commandments God gave to men before Moses, but the Sabbath was not one of them.

So, the next claim would be, the apostles observed the Sabbath, and so did the Gentiles. Firstly, the apostles were Jews and they continued to observe festivals and even some purification ceremony (Acts 21). Secondly, Paul used the Sabbath to reach out to people because there were a number of Jews and Gentile God-fearers who attend Synagogue. It was the day of their customary meeting, so he used it.

It is likely that Paul met with Christians on other days (perhaps Sunday) to observe Christian communion and to discuss the Christian message. It is also likely that many other Gentiles joined these meetings.

By the way, I am a former Sabbathkeeper associated with the Armstrongite cult called Worldwide Church of God. So, for over a decade, I held a Sabbathkeeper position. In fact I denied the salvation of any non-observer. So, I know the mentality and have rejected it.

GOD said that Abraham kept HIS Commandment, ether he kept the Sabbath or GOD lies to us, And those that believe and trust in JESUS and HIS WORD Should BELIEVE JUSUS OVER YOU. And as far AS THAT, The only day that has been bless is the seveneth day, GOD SAYS THAT HE MADE IT HOLY AND SANCTIFIED it IN CREATION, AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO OR SAY THAT WILL CHANGE THAT, it was made and bless and SANCTIFIED IN creation, SET apart for HOLY USE, TO say that that it was not kept before Moses is to say GOD lied when GOD said that Abraham kept HIS commandment, FOR Abraham lived about 400 years before Moses, and GOD told Moses, TO REMEMBER THE SABBATH, And they could not remember the Sabbath if they had not been keeping it before Moses , to remember is to look back and see that it was kept,

 

[bud62]

You probably aren't talking to me but I don't care if a woman wears pants as long as she isn't trying to be manlike.

I do think a dress is much more attractive, though...just not very handy sometimes.

Of course, all dress should be modest for both sexes.

By the way, Ellen G. White made up this weird dress that included pants with it. It was called the Reform Dress. It was practically required for SDA women. Some wouldn't even go out in public often because it was so embarrassing to wear.

I remember reading about women who were so embarrassed by it, they would hide from other women if they saw them in the streets to avoid being seen in it.

THAT is the problem with this WORLD, they do not care what GOD says in HIS word, And think GOD has the right to tell them how they should like, making them self their OWN GOD, like JESUS why call me LORD and not do the things that I say, AND GOD is the one that says, 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God. And to say that you don't care, that you will meat in judgement, then you will know that GOD does not change, but it will be to late to believe what he says then.

 

[bud62]

THAT is the problem with this WORLD, they do not care what GOD says in HIS word, And think that GOD has not the right to tell them how they should live, making them self's their OWN GOD, like JESUS says why call me LORD and not do the things that I say, AND GOD is the one that says, 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God. And to say that you don't care, that you will meat in judgement, then you will know that GOD does not change, but it will be to late to believe what he says then.

 

[bud62]

The IMAGE is Church and state coming together like it did in Rome. to try to force sunday keeping on those that are keeping GOD's TRUE 7th DAY Sabbath, They are keeping the 7th day Sabbath because that is what the BIBLE tells them to do, And the 4th Commandment ALSO. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. THE WOMAN AND THE REMNANT BEING GOD's CHILDREN, THAT ARE KEEPING ALL GOD's COMMANDMENT's, NOT HOLDING TO TRADITIONS OR THE COMMANDS OF THE Catholic Church OR The PAPACY, THEY ARE PUTTING THERE TRUST IN THE BIBLE GOD's WORD AS THERE GUIDE, AND NOT FELLOWING MAN's TRADITIONS, WHEN IT CAUSE's THEM TO BREAK GOD's COMMANDMENTS,

 

[bud62]

The IMAGE is Church and state coming together like it did in Rome. to try to force sunday keeping on those that are keeping GOD's TRUE 7th DAY Sabbath, They are keeping the 7th day Sabbath because that is what the BIBLE tells them to do, And the 4th Commandment ALSO. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. THE WOMAN AND THE REMNANT BEING GOD's CHILDREN, THAT ARE KEEPING ALL GOD's COMMANDMENT's, NOT HOLDING TO TRADITIONS OR THE COMMANDS OF THE Catholic Church OR The PAPACY, THEY ARE PUTTING THERE TRUST IN THE BIBLE GOD's WORD AS THERE GUIDE, AND NOT FELLOWING MAN's TRADITIONS, WHEN IT CAUSE's THEM TO BREAK GOD's COMMANDMENTS,

THE REFORMERS TELLING US WHO THE REAL ANTICHRIST IS, A MAN TRYING TO TAKE GOD's PLACE AND GOD's AUTHORITY, THE MAN THAT WILL DECIEVE THE WHOLE WORLD. HE IS CALLED THE LITTLE HORN IN DANIEL, IN 2 TESSALONIANS 2:3 HE IS CALLED THE MAN OF SIN & THE SON OF PREDITION, IN 1 JOHN HE IS CALLED THE ANTICHRIST. IN REVELATION 13:2-13 HE IS CALLED THE BEAST POWER, PLEASE STUDY FOR YOUR SELFS AND SEE !!! TIME IS VERY SHORT, DON'T WORSHIP THE ANTICHRIST, IN IGNORANCE. ROMANS 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
SO IF YOU ARE KEEPING SUNDAY INSTEAD OF GOD's 7th DAY SABBATH YOU ARE OBEYING THE PAPACY OVER GOD, SO THIS IS WORSHIPING THE PAPACY OVER GOD IN IGNORANCE. AND THE BIBLE TELLs YOU, THAT HE WOULD SEEK TO CHANGE IT IN DANIEL 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. THE ONLY LAW OF GOD THAT's GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH TIME IS THE SABBATH, THIS IS WHY SATAN WANT's US TO KEEP Sunday !!!!!!! AND the PAPACY< FOR IT IS WORSHIP TO HIM< BY OBEYING THE PAPACY OVER GOD, AND IT'S SO SIMPLE THAT HE WILL DECIEVE THE WHOLE WORLD, BUT IT'S RIGHT IN GOD WORD WITH A LITTLE STUDY AND KNOWING A LITTLE HISTORY.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

THAT is the problem with this WORLD, they do not care what GOD says in HIS word, And think GOD has the right to tell them how they should like, making them self their OWN GOD, like JESUS why call me LORD and not do the things that I say, AND GOD is the one that says, 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God. And to say that you don't care, that you will meat in judgement, then you will know that GOD does not change, but it will be to late to believe what he says then.

So, would you agree that Ellen G. White was sinning by marketing her Reformation dress, which included pants?

She made a lot of money doing it by the way..she sold the patterns for a dollar apiece and that was a lot of money back then.

 

[bud62]

To those that want to know where their Sunday comes from, and who they are obeying by keeping it. GOD says that we worship the one that we obey, and there is nothing in the BIBLE to tell to keep sunday holy, But there are a hole lot to tell us to keep the Sabbath the 7th day,
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Magenta]

you think women should not wear pants.

I have not heard William state that he always wears a robe and shawl. I wonder why?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

GOD said that Abraham kept HIS Commandment, ether he kept the Sabbath or GOD lies to us, And those that believe and trust in JESUS and HIS WORD Should BELIEVE JUSUS OVER YOU. And as far AS THAT, The only day that has been bless is the seveneth day, GOD SAYS THAT HE MADE IT HOLY AND SANCTIFIED it IN CREATION, AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO OR SAY THAT WILL CHANGE THAT, it was made and bless and SANCTIFIED IN creation, SET apart for HOLY USE, TO say that that it was not kept before Moses is to say GOD lied when GOD said that Abraham kept HIS commandment, FOR Abraham lived about 400 years before Moses, and GOD told Moses, TO REMEMBER THE SABBATH, And they could not remember the Sabbath if they had not been keeping it before Moses , to remember is to look back and see that it was kept,

First, Abraham kept all of God's commandments to HIM, not to the ancient nation of Israel. It is your claim that this reference in Genesis 26:5 is talking about the Ten Commandments. There is no place that you can find where God instituted a weekly Sabbath prior to the Exodus.

Secondly, God sanctified the seventh day of creation at that time. There's no indication that a weekly Sabbath was sanctified...it was only the particular day following the six days of creation. Later, the Sabbath became institutionalized in the Mosaic Covenant, which applied to the nation of Israel, and not to all mankind.

Thirdly, the language of "remember" indicates that it was to be a continuing, "remembrance" commandment. There was a one-time initiation ceremony into the Mosaic Covenant, and that was physical circumcision. The continuing, "remembrance" commandment was to observe the Sabbath weekly.

Christians are not under the Mosaic Covenant. Their one-time initiation ceremony into the New Covenant is baptism, and their continuing "remembrance" commandment is the Lord's Supper or communion. And, that is one reason why I think it's appropriate to observe communion weekly.

 

[bud62]

So, would you agree that Ellen G. White was sinning by marketing her Reformation dress, which included pants?

She made a lot of money doing it by the way..she sold the patterns for a dollar apiece and that was a lot of money back then.

I think GOD said for a woman not to put them on at all, GOD's word is over all, but I do believe that she was trying to live for the LORD, And I believe what GOD is saying is when put our cloths on, they should tell that we are A MALE OR FEMALE, FAR A long distance away,

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

no, i was referring to bud

of course ellen white something like this.

i mean, this is the first time i saw this, but have 0 surprise that she came up with it.

She made a dollar from each woman that bought her dress pattern.

That was a lot of money back then.


Women hated it, though.

They just did it because the SDA is a legalistic group about certain things..

However at the same time it will not condemn abortion. In fact, they perform abortions in their health care facilities.

That's not Ellen G. White's fault though..it came after her. But it's funny how her followers ignore the blatant immorality of committing abortion.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

I think GOD said for a woman not to put them on at all, GOD's word is over all, but I do believe that she was trying to live for the LORD, And I believe what GOD is saying is when put our cloths on, they should tell that we are A MALE OR FEMALE, FAR A long distance away,

I don't know about you but I can tell the difference between a woman in woman's jeans, and a man. Well, nowadays it's unsure about anyone due to the transgender stuff. I hate all that, and that's a blatant attempt to deny God's creation.

 

[bud62]

I have not heard William state that he always wears a robe and shawl. I wonder why?

THE BIBLE does not say that I haft to wear a robe, it is stating that I am to wear cloths that tells that I am A man, And pants was made for A man, Just go to a men's restroom and you will see the pants , and go to the women's restroom and you will see the dress, And in most cases, the woman know, they wear their dress to church, and wear pants other places,, But there is a few that don't care what GOD says at all, and go's to church with them anyway, And there are a few that love the lord and wears them like GOD tells them to all the time, this tells me that they really got the love of GOD in them, especially if they try to cover their body well not showing their lags and haft their breast and back, GOD HELP US ALL.

 

[bud62]

She made a dollar from each woman that bought her dress pattern.

That was a lot of money back then.


Women hated it, though.

They just did it because the SDA is a legalistic group about certain things..

However at the same time it will not condemn abortion. In fact, they perform abortions in their health care facilities.

That's not Ellen G. White's fault though..it came after her. But it's funny how her followers ignore the blatant immorality of committing abortion.

You are wrong I had 2 sister the one that is still living still wears dresses, and has never been to a S.D.A. Church her whole life, She said she ask GOD to show HER about wearing pants, AND she said that GOD showed her not to wear pants, and she like them BUT she obeyed GOD and still is wearing her dresses like GOD says in HIS word

 

[SophieT]

Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no-one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Galatians 3: 6-14

 

[SophieT]

THE BIBLE does not say that I haft to wear a robe, it is stating that I am to wear cloths that tells that I am A man, And pants was made for A man, Just go to a men's restroom and you will see the pants , and go to the women's restroom and you will see the dress, And in most cases, the woman know, they wear their dress to church, and wear pants other places,, But there is a few that don't care what GOD says at all, and go's to church with them anyway, And there are a few that love the lord and wears them like GOD tells them to all the time, this tells me that they really got the love of GOD in them, especially if they try to cover their body well not showing their lags and haft their breast and back, GOD HELP US ALL.

are you saying that if someone does not agree with your viewpoint, they do not care at all what God says?

men in biblical times did not wear pants (Israel). In fact the garb of both men and women was similar

I find your remark about the pictures on restrooms quite humorous. on the one hand you claim authority through scripture, but are now including 21st C norms as part of that authority. it doesn't work

 

[Magenta]

THE BIBLE does not say that I haft to wear a robe, it is stating that I am to wear cloths that tells that I am A man, And pants was made for A man, Just go to a men's restroom and you will see the pants , and go to the women's restroom and you will see the dress, And in most cases, the woman know, they wear their dress to church, and wear pants other places,, But there is a few that don't care what GOD says at all, and go's to church with them anyway, And there are a few that love the lord and wears them like GOD tells them to all the time, this tells me that they really got the love of GOD in them, especially if they try to cover their body well not showing their lags and haft their breast and back, GOD HELP US ALL.

Men wore robes and shawls in the time you say we are to fashion ourselves after. So you are being a hypocrite.

Meanwhile, pants, believe it or not, are made for women to wear.
They are woman's clothes as much as mens'. Your denial is disturbing.

Nor do I take my clothing choice cues from public bathroom doors

Nor does the Bible say I must wear a dress or not wear pants.

You misrepresent the Word of God and ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

[bud62]

Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no-one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Galatians 3: 6-14

N0 it is because he OBEYED AND kept GOD Commandment, is the reason
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
If HE had not enough faith to OBEY GOD, THEN HE WOULD HAVE been LOST, JUST like Satan,
It takes A faith that will OBEY TO BE SAVED ,