If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?
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I put it in bold.
Romans 14:4-6 KJV
[4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
rstrats, if you don't quote the person, don't expect a response. I just happen to see your quoteless post.
Romans 14:4-6 KJV
[4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
rstrats, if you don't quote the person, don't expect a response. I just happen to see your quoteless post.
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yes, you are right - in fact for my part i did give an intentionally silly argument, because i find Leviticus 10:29 + Hebrews 10:29 to be a very silly argument that Bud gave for his SDA position.
speaking of silly..
can you really sincerely say 'if you love the Lord.." like this if you believe what you said about the one who treats every day as holy, doing so for the Lord?
speaking of silly..
can you really sincerely say 'if you love the Lord.." like this if you believe what you said about the one who treats every day as holy, doing so for the Lord?
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I agree that working for a living is not part of salvation. It is part of living our life as a saved person. What I question is the idea the Lord only speaks to our spirits.
The Lord is interested in our welfare here on earth, and when God speaks of our earthy life, there is a spiritual meaning. If we only read it as spiritual, we miss His full meaning, and if we only read it as physical we really miss the boat.
The Lord is interested in our welfare here on earth, and when God speaks of our earthy life, there is a spiritual meaning. If we only read it as spiritual, we miss His full meaning, and if we only read it as physical we really miss the boat.
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Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
(Genesis 2:1-3)
if i might make just a few observations:
- it doesn't say 'every seventh day' it says 'the seventh day' - what's the implication?
- there's no imperative language here; no command to anyone, just a declaration. if anything is implied by His sanctification of the seventh day, it is applied by implication to "all which God created and made" - the heavens, the earth, all the host of them. if the squirrels still forage on a day, the birds still build their nest, the moon and the planets still course through the sky, is creation in disobedience?
- it seems to have been blessed afterwards ? as in, on the 8th day He blessed the 7th - what's the implication?
- the blessing is tied to the finishing of His work: there is an implicit connection to God's work being complete - that is, there is nothing to be added to it. the heavens, the earth, the host of them: complete. nothing to be added. cannot be further sanctified - He has done it. what then is to be remembered?
- the simple statement 'God rested' is extraordinary - does God get tired? is His endurance limited? the answer to questions like these seems to be obviously, no! so 'rest' here applied to God doesn't carry the same connotations as it does when applied to us mortal beings.
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Walter Martin; ThD., was my Sunday School teacher in the 80's he wrote "Kingdom Of The Cults." here's an excerpt from his book in regards to SDA theology. Mind you 'I' didn't make it up!
THE CONCEPT OF CHRIST’S SINFUL HUMAN NATURE
Since almost all critics of Seventh-day Adventism contend that Seventh-day Adventists believe Christ possessed a sinful human nature during the Incarnation, a word should be said to clarify this point. These charges are often based on an article in Signs of the Times, March 1927, and a statement in Bible Readings for the Home Circle, edition of 1944. Regarding the first reference, a critical article states: My … quotation is from L. A. Wilcox, for many years an editor of The Signs of the Times, which according to the latest figures given by the Adventists has been published by them for eighty-two years. Certainly a statement by an editor of that publication may be considered official. I’m sure that anything that Mr. Wilcox wrote did not just happen to get in. In March 1927 he wrote, “In His [Christ’s] veins was the incubus of a tainted heredity like a caged lion ever seeking to break forth and destroy. Temptation attacked Him where by heredity He was weakest, attacked Him in unexpected times and ways. In spite of bad blood and an inherited meanness, He ‘conquered.’ ”
THE CONCEPT OF CHRIST’S SINFUL HUMAN NATURE
Since almost all critics of Seventh-day Adventism contend that Seventh-day Adventists believe Christ possessed a sinful human nature during the Incarnation, a word should be said to clarify this point. These charges are often based on an article in Signs of the Times, March 1927, and a statement in Bible Readings for the Home Circle, edition of 1944. Regarding the first reference, a critical article states: My … quotation is from L. A. Wilcox, for many years an editor of The Signs of the Times, which according to the latest figures given by the Adventists has been published by them for eighty-two years. Certainly a statement by an editor of that publication may be considered official. I’m sure that anything that Mr. Wilcox wrote did not just happen to get in. In March 1927 he wrote, “In His [Christ’s] veins was the incubus of a tainted heredity like a caged lion ever seeking to break forth and destroy. Temptation attacked Him where by heredity He was weakest, attacked Him in unexpected times and ways. In spite of bad blood and an inherited meanness, He ‘conquered.’ ”
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yes -- we need to find the person and work of the Messiah in all these scriptures, and doing so, walk in Him. the testimony of Him is the right dividing of the word, and the imitation of His ways is the right practice of His word.
in Genesis 2:1-3 it looks like on the 8th day God sanctified the 7th. does this speak of Christ, of whom the 8th day is representative, the day of renewal and newness, justifying and reconciling creation to Himself? our faith is 'He has done it' - He accomplished and purchased our salvation. we can look at that holy 7th as His finished work; remembering it is remembering that it is He who sanctifies us -- which is what the purpose of the sabbaths given to Israel was, "a sign between Me and them" ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12))
this tells me that when i remember a sabbath, to keep it is to remember that i do not add to my sanctification either by doing or non-doing. it is He who sanctifies me. it is remembering -- that He faithfully gave manna in the wilderness, that when it did not appear on the 7th day i can trust that it will again on the 8th. that He completed the heavens and the earth and the host of them and saw that what He had worked was good. that i should trust, and rejoice in Him, and be full of thanks - anxious for nothing, keeping those things in mind
in Genesis 2:1-3 it looks like on the 8th day God sanctified the 7th. does this speak of Christ, of whom the 8th day is representative, the day of renewal and newness, justifying and reconciling creation to Himself? our faith is 'He has done it' - He accomplished and purchased our salvation. we can look at that holy 7th as His finished work; remembering it is remembering that it is He who sanctifies us -- which is what the purpose of the sabbaths given to Israel was, "a sign between Me and them" ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12))
this tells me that when i remember a sabbath, to keep it is to remember that i do not add to my sanctification either by doing or non-doing. it is He who sanctifies me. it is remembering -- that He faithfully gave manna in the wilderness, that when it did not appear on the 7th day i can trust that it will again on the 8th. that He completed the heavens and the earth and the host of them and saw that what He had worked was good. that i should trust, and rejoice in Him, and be full of thanks - anxious for nothing, keeping those things in mind
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