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SoulWeaver · Dec 7, 2020

Well it's not a strawman because while it isn't explicitly asserted, it is being constantly suggested. Mask safety is suggested through statements such as, "Such and such crowd gathering was not dangerous, because they mostly wore masks, hence there was no spread".
And now when you mention STD's, yes this exact same thing, even worse, absolute effectiveness of condoms is being falsely suggested to people in the same way by constantly attaching the adjective "safe". Context is important.

EleventhHour · Dec 7, 2020

SoulWeaver said:

Recent research suggests otherwise.

“We detected coronavirus in respiratory droplets and aerosols in 3 of 10 (30%) and 4 of 10 (40%) of the samples collected without face masks, respectively, but did not detect any virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols collected from participants wearing face masks, this difference was significant in aerosols and showed a trend toward reduced detection in respiratory droplets (Table 1b)”

Source

And there is plenty of other studies to show the efficacy of the three ply surgical mask.

bojack · Dec 7, 2020

Smoke said:

I don't think anyone argues that masks (at least non-N95 masks) stops viruses 100%. It's sort of a strawman argument. The opposing view is that if everyone wore a mask when in public places, we will reduce the transmission of Covid-19. The real debate is if this decrease is marginal as some are suggesting or if it is significant like most health experts suggest.

Consider condoms and STDs. Bacterial and viral diseases are still able to penetrate (sorry, couldn't think of another word) condoms. Nevertheless, 100% of health experts say that condoms help reduce the transmission of STDs. If someone was being promiscuous, it's terrible logic to say "Well, since condoms can't 100% prevent STD transmission, I'm just going to have unprotected sex. What's the point?" It's not very logical honestly...

[Now of course the best way to prevent STDs is abstinence, but that isn't my point. lol]

They should make condoms mandatory and cut out abortions and the abortion industry .. Bwahahaha ...

Truth7t7 · Dec 7, 2020

Smoke said:

It's a power grab when California Governor Gavin Newsom lays out mandates, and breaks them, at a recentFrench Restaurant for dinner of more than 10, no mask,then laughed as he gave apology on TV

Sorta like Nancy Pelosi at the beauty salon, breaking the rules

Diane Feinstein at the Airport, no mask

It only applies to the others

Absolutely · Dec 7, 2020

Smoke said:

That's why grocery stores have hand sanitizer at the entrances and exists... We aren't going to stop the transmission 100%. That isn't possible. But we can do our best to prevent as much as possible.

I hate wearing a mask honestly. I do it because I love my fellow man enough to exercise caution. It encourages me to shop on my phone more or get curbside. I understand some see this as a power grab. I genuinely understand that point of view and don't make fun of people who have that position. I'm just not part of that school of thought.

By the way, you do realize Trump and Pence endorse mask wearing in public places right? Granted, they might not be as diligent as the left wants them to be, but they said Biden and Kamala plagiarized their Covid-19 response plan. Do you suggest Trump is part of the swamp and trying to go for the power grab too? Or is it only a power grab when a Democrat encourages people to wear a mask?

it is local as well as state and federal.

the mask thingy is a joke unless there is a real epidemic.
even then masks are probably a placebo.

Absolutely · Dec 7, 2020

Smoke said:

That's why grocery stores have hand sanitizer at the entrances and exists... We aren't going to stop the transmission 100%. That isn't possible. But we can do our best to prevent as much as possible.

I hate wearing a mask honestly. I do it because I love my fellow man enough to exercise caution. It encourages me to shop on my phone more or get curbside. I understand some see this as a power grab. I genuinely understand that point of view and don't make fun of people who have that position. I'm just not part of that school of thought.

By the way, you do realize Trump and Pence endorse mask wearing in public places right? Granted, they might not be as diligent as the left wants them to be, but they said Biden and Kamala plagiarized their Covid-19 response plan. Do you suggest Trump is part of the swamp and trying to go for the power grab too? Or is it only a power grab when a Democrat encourages people to wear a mask?

People are touching everything at the store.
the mask is doing nothing at all.

cv5 · Dec 7, 2020

PennEd said:

Correct. Disgusting medical realities never stopped 11thhour from promoting these vaccines. Or almost any other doctor for that matter. Which by the way is why I simply do not trust doctors.
DOCTORS ARE UNETHICAL. They will either trick or demand that you take a treatment that is contrary to your good conscience or best interest. Disgusting.

My sense of it is that the latest mRNA vaccines.........are engineered to literally destroy the human race. Make us infertile make us retarded make us compliant make us perpetually sick cripples. And worst much much worse.

Be warned if you think all doctors are "good".....think again. The psychiatrists are by far the worst nowadays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

These Canadian experiments were conducted with the leadership of the despicable Doctor Ewan Cameron, in conjunction with the CIA, and McGill University.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#Experiments_on_Canadians

THAT ladies and gentlemen is proof positive of government agencies & elites destroying human beings by experimenting on them like lab rats.

The insane communist Trudeau is trying to cover up MK ultra vast goverment criminal activity.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-government-gag-order-mk-ultra-1.4448933

bojack · Dec 7, 2020

EleventhHour said:

Recent research suggests otherwise.

“We detected coronavirus in respiratory droplets and aerosols in 3 of 10 (30%) and 4 of 10 (40%) of the samples collected without face masks, respectively, but did not detect any virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols collected from participants wearing face masks, this difference was significant in aerosols and showed a trend toward reduced detection in respiratory droplets (Table 1b)”

Source

And there is plenty of other studies to show the efficacy of the three ply surgical mask.

Then wear a mask, but don't tread on me .. And take all the vaccines you want, but stay out of my business ..

Smoke · Dec 7, 2020

SoulWeaver said:

Hrmm... granted I don't listen to mainstream "news networks", but when I've heard people encouraging mask wearing, I never got the implication that masks stop Covid-19 100%. I usually hear percentages of people wearing them have an exponentially less chance of spreading/catching it. The explicit reasoning is to reduce the spread of Covid-19, but apparently that is being ignored in favor of an "implicit message".

If the non-real news networks like CNN/Fox are talking about a crowd gathering being "safe" because they wore masks, it's just them engaging in a double-standard. I'd advise boycotting such cable non-news networks.

I do understand and agree with your point about the term "safe sex" though. Condoms make it "safer" for people to be promiscuous, but "safe" is a rather relative term. In the same token, masks make people in public places "safer" but not immune to spreading Covid-19. Would you at the very least concede to two points:

1.) Wearing masks prevents the spread of Covid-19, even to a marginal degree in comparison to people who don't wear a mask?
2.) Condoms decrease the spread of STDs in comparison to people who have promiscuous sex without condoms?

If so, that's why I say the REAL argument is how significant do masks and condoms prevent the spread of disease? Health experts say it's significant...

PennEd · Dec 7, 2020

This is exhaustive, and long. But After 8 months of the lies, abuse of rights, businesses, Churches, Schools, and every other aspect of your lives, don't you owe it to yourselves to spend the 15 minutes or so to read psome facts, and what is really going on?

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-goal-immunity-or-depopulation/

cv5 · Dec 7, 2020

PennEd said:

But wait! The opinion of 11th hour supersedes all others including.....the redoubtable John MacArthur!

By the way I completely agree with the position of John MacArthur on COVID. 100% onboard. He's got the correct attitude, the correct perspective and he understands the truth about COVID as it really is, and not the insane greedy politicians and doctors are characterizing it.

bojack · Dec 7, 2020

Smoke said:

Hrmm... granted I don't listen to mainstream "news networks", but when I've heard people encouraging mask wearing, I never got the implication that masks stop Covid-19 100%. I usually hear percentages of people wearing them have an exponentially less chance of spreading/catching it. The explicit reasoning is to reduce the spread of Covid-19, but apparently that is being ignored in favor of an "implicit message".

If the non-real news networks like CNN/Fox are talking about a crowd gathering being "safe" because they wore masks, it's just them engaging in a double-standard. I'd advise boycotting such cable non-news networks.

I do understand and agree with your point about the term "safe sex" though. Condoms make it "safer" for people to be promiscuous, but "safe" is a rather relative term. In the same token, masks make people in public places "safer" but not immune to spreading Covid-19. Would you at the very least concede to two points:

1.) Wearing masks prevents the spread of Covid-19, even to a marginal degree in comparison to people who don't wear a mask?
2.) Condoms decrease the spread of STDs in comparison to people who have promiscuous sex without condoms?

If so, that's why I say the REAL argument is how significant do masks and condoms prevent the spread of disease? Health experts say it's significant...

And the lockdowns, shutdowns ? Because you might catch a cold ? lolol

Smoke · Dec 7, 2020

Absolutely said:

At the very least, a mask prevents less disease from being spread onto items in a store. If you expel particulars so tiny they can go through a mask, how much easier would it then be to spread it onto items without a mask? A mask only stops a percentage of the spread (it is debateable as to how high that percentage is), but even if it was 5%, that is 5% better than not wearing a mask. The sacrifice is having to wear a mask for 30 minutes to go shopping (or 5 hours if you're a woman... jk

). I'm not dying on a hill for that cause.

Smoke · Dec 7, 2020

bojack said:

I never mentioned anything about lockdowns. I don't advocate for them. I hate to quote Trump, but he's 100% right in that the treament can't be worse than the disease. We shouldn't lockdown, but we should absolutely do our best to minimize the transmission when we are in public. The golden calf even says this.

cv5 · Dec 7, 2020

bojack said:

That's exactly the rational logical & correct perspective. Those who CHOOSE to be immunized will be supposedly immunized! We who choose to NOT be immunized with a vaccine will simply become immune the old-fashioned way. Any attempt to force vaccination should be met with criminal prosecution.

This forced vaccination insanity must stop immediately. There needs to be massive massive civil disobedience to TELL them.....not ASK them .......that we are not going to stand for it.

COVID vaccinations may be the most dangerous thing you could ever do. We simply do not know nor can we sue the pharmaceutical companies for damages.

EleventhHour · Dec 7, 2020

bojack said:

The caliber of your response .. such depth, illumination of the facts and insight.

cv5 · Dec 7, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

You must understand that to a sociopath like these people we are nothing but stupid cattle.

Truth7t7 · Dec 7, 2020

cv5 said:

I Agree, Many Doctors are unethical $$$

Like Drs installing unneeded pace makers for kick backs from manufacturers?

Unwarranted lab work and xrays, boost the profits for the establishment?

Going to a Dr with claims of an ailment, is like going to a mechanic stating you hear a noise in your vehicle, Smiles!

Went to a new dentist 20 years ago for a routine exam,he took xrays and stated I had like 6 cavities, needed 2 crowns, just enough claimed work to grab the annual coverage?

No I didn't let the criminal do the fraud work, here it is 20 years later, and those claimed cavities and crowns are just fine,what crime!

Truth7t7 · Dec 7, 2020

cv5 said:

The Truth!

Truth7t7 · Dec 7, 2020

EleventhHour said:

"CRICKETS"

You Claimed No Proof Of Republican Observers Being Sent Home, From The Absentee Ballot Area?

The Georgia Chief Investigator (Frances Watson) denies Republican Poll watchers and workers were sent home, quoting election media liason (Regina Waller)?

As this (Regina Waller) gave a news interview to ABC that absentee poll workers and counters in the video, were sent home Nov 3rd 10:30PM, and would resume counting on Nov 4th 8:30AM

They Are All Blatantly Lying, No Sworn Affidavit Is Needed From Republican Poll Workers, Its Main Headlines In The News!

Regina Waller Wasnt Lying, She Stated Additional Numbers Could Come Out During The Night, And She Was Correct!

As The Ballots Came Out From Under The Tables, And Counted Multiple Times!

ABCNEWS

Pipe bursts in Atlanta arena causing 4-hour delay in processing ballots
Emily Shapiro
November 3, 2020, 11:25 PM ET

Later in the night, Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager for elections, told ABC News that the election department sent the State Farm Arena absentee ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. despite earlier intentions to complete processing Tuesday night. Some additional numbers could still come out Tuesday night, but as of now the staff will be back at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.

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