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The word is epistrepsē which means shall turn neither one, or it is in the original. Both are added to make the sentence complete in English. Which one should it be? More investigation about the Greek needs to be analyzed. You can't decide until you know the Greek rules and grammar.
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Literally= if shall have turned to Lord shall have taken away the veil.
I like KJV1611 user said. The Heart is the context.
7But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
It is using an OT example of how we all are changed into the image of the glory of the Lord by the Spirit of the Lord by turning to Christ in faith and not shrinking back in unbeleif. We are not to be like them. It was not a good thing that they could not look at the glory on Moses face. They shrank back in unbelief when they should have been wanting to experience the same glory.
BUT WE WITH AN OPEN FACE BEHOLD the Glory of the Lord and are changed from glory to glory.
I like KJV1611 user said. The Heart is the context.
7But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
It is using an OT example of how we all are changed into the image of the glory of the Lord by the Spirit of the Lord by turning to Christ in faith and not shrinking back in unbeleif. We are not to be like them. It was not a good thing that they could not look at the glory on Moses face. They shrank back in unbelief when they should have been wanting to experience the same glory.
BUT WE WITH AN OPEN FACE BEHOLD the Glory of the Lord and are changed from glory to glory.
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The context is about those that shrank back from wanting to look at Moses face and it is exposing a heart of unbelief that we are not to follow, we are to have an Open Face. The context is the HEART of those that shrank back.
It is not a dispensational verse as you want to make everything fit into your tunnel vision bad heremeutics.
So in conclusion you were upset about the changes in other translations because IT fits your narrative but you are misapplying IT as well, the HEART is the IT. Read it again.
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15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
So crystal clear if you remove the vail of your dispensational filter.
It is not a dispensational verse as you want to make everything fit into your tunnel vision bad heremeutics.
So in conclusion you were upset about the changes in other translations because IT fits your narrative but you are misapplying IT as well, the HEART is the IT. Read it again.
KJV
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
So crystal clear if you remove the vail of your dispensational filter.
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"It" is NOT feminine in English!
Like I already noted, the CONTEXT clearly shows that Israel is in view. It would have been redundant to specify Israelites in verse 16. Nobody is going to be confused if they read the verse in context. It's only when you remove it from its context and try to interpret it independently that you are in danger of error, and it really doesn't matter anyway, because if you're discussing gentiles, there is no veil of the Law to be removed!
Nobody who knows anything about biblical interpretation takes a single verse and treats it as though it is the whole doctrine on anything, yet that is exactly what you are claiming.
Like I already noted, the CONTEXT clearly shows that Israel is in view. It would have been redundant to specify Israelites in verse 16. Nobody is going to be confused if they read the verse in context. It's only when you remove it from its context and try to interpret it independently that you are in danger of error, and it really doesn't matter anyway, because if you're discussing gentiles, there is no veil of the Law to be removed!
Nobody who knows anything about biblical interpretation takes a single verse and treats it as though it is the whole doctrine on anything, yet that is exactly what you are claiming.
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Well since IT is not in the Greek it is not possible that you could have found evidence to call it "feminine" and you are just making stuff up. LOL the word is epistrepsē shall turn. It is not there. It was added by the KJV translators.
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In the KJV of that verse, "the brother of" is in italics, meaning those words were not in the original language. Meanwhile, there is a footnote in the NASB which references 1 Chronicles 20:5, where "Lahmi, the brother of" appears in both translations. It's clear to anyone who gives it a moment of attention.
Given that your KJV likely does NOT have footnotes, you are left with three options:
- the KJV translators added words to Scripture
- the NASB is different but perfectly acceptable
- you have to justify the KJV with some ridiculous circular-reasoning claim about re-inspiration
Take your pick.
Given that your KJV likely does NOT have footnotes, you are left with three options:
- the KJV translators added words to Scripture
- the NASB is different but perfectly acceptable
- you have to justify the KJV with some ridiculous circular-reasoning claim about re-inspiration
Take your pick.
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The whole point is the heart is the issue. People who’s heart is not toward God have a vail over their hearts. Just follow any works salvation thread and you can see this people in live action.
It doesn’t matter what you say to these people or what scripture you show them, they will twist all of them because their heart is not right with God.
It doesn’t matter what you say to these people or what scripture you show them, they will twist all of them because their heart is not right with God.
In the KJV of that verse, "the brother of" is in italics, meaning those words were not in the original language. Meanwhile, there is a footnote in the NASB which references 1 Chronicles 20:5, where "Lahmi, the brother of" appears in both translations. It's clear to anyone who gives it a moment of attention.
Given that your KJV likely does NOT have footnotes, you are left with three options:
- the KJV translators added words to Scripture
- the NASB is different but perfectly acceptable
- you have to justify the KJV with some ridiculous circular-reasoning claim about re-inspiration
Take your pick.
Given that your KJV likely does NOT have footnotes, you are left with three options:
- the KJV translators added words to Scripture
- the NASB is different but perfectly acceptable
- you have to justify the KJV with some ridiculous circular-reasoning claim about re-inspiration
Take your pick.
-the KJV is the word of God (besides, we don't have the original)
-the NASB contradicts itself
-does one put trust in the text or the footnotes?
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In the KJV of that verse, "the brother of" is in italics, meaning those words were not in the original language. Meanwhile, there is a footnote in the NASB which references 1 Chronicles 20:5, where "Lahmi, the brother of" appears in both translations. It's clear to anyone who gives it a moment of attention.
Given that your KJV likely does NOT have footnotes, you are left with three options:
- the KJV translators added words to Scripture
- the NASB is different but perfectly acceptable
- you have to justify the KJV with some ridiculous circular-reasoning claim about re-inspiration
Take your pick.
Given that your KJV likely does NOT have footnotes, you are left with three options:
- the KJV translators added words to Scripture
- the NASB is different but perfectly acceptable
- you have to justify the KJV with some ridiculous circular-reasoning claim about re-inspiration
Take your pick.
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Wow, my KJV has been wrong a this time, for 409 years, only to have Adulterer Kurt Aland, his Adulterous wife Barbara Nee Ehlers, And homosexual union supporter, and Roman catholic Jesuit cardinal, bring the truth in their created Greek text (Novum Testamentum Graece) that supports all new bible versions
A Masterpiece, The King James Bible and its translators, all confessing Christian's, scholars beyond comparison!
For a closer look at the King James Bible and its translators, check out the attached link
A Masterpiece, The King James Bible and its translators, all confessing Christian's, scholars beyond comparison!
For a closer look at the King James Bible and its translators, check out the attached link
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