Works righteousness.

[bud62]

What’s worse

walking in self righteousness thinking your good

or walking with the lord and taking his mercy and forgiveness based on his love and taking it to love others

i will take the second thank you

I don't think that I am GOOD AT All, I am ONE OF GOD'S WORSE,
YOU have NO IDEAL, GOD IS GOOD NO ONE ELSE IS GOOD BUT GOD,
I am not ON here TO BE LIKED, BUT TO TRY TO GET TRUTH.
THOSE THAT DON'T WANT IT, I CAN not, BUT I PREY THAT GOD DOES,
As I need HIS MERCY AND HIS GRACE HIS GUIDENCE, AND HIS LOVE AND HIS CORRECTION, TO GET ME TO WALK IN THE WAYS I SHOULD GO. And MAY GOD Bless YOU AS GOD SEES what would be GOOD for YOU, NOT your WANTS , BUT YOUR NEED, As I ask for me also,
SINCERELY William

Sure He does, yet "keep" His commandments for believers does not mean sinless perfection/flawlessly obey the 10 commandments under the law of Moses. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Don't confuse me with bud62.



Your straw man arguments are getting really old.

The ten commandments where wrote by YESUAH and wrote with YESUAH FINGER, AND was PUT, INSIDE THE ARK OF THE COVENVANT, meaning THAT they are ETURNUAL, AND IS OUR PART OF OUR COVENVANT WITH GOD, THE laws that he writes on our HEARTS,
THE hand writing of Moses was wrote by Moses and put in a side compartment on the outside of the ARK, because they was not ETURNUAL, and they was only going to last till the seed should come, WHICH was YESUAH, and was added because that they were braking GOD'S ten commandments, and was added to help them keep the ten commandments, TILL YESUAH CAME, And these are the laws that was Blotted out, the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, that Moses wrote, for GOD.
GALATIONS
3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

{ this telling us that the handwriting of MOSES was added to the to the ten commandments till YESUAH came, But then it is just our school master, to show us how YESUAH is WORKING in THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY, AMOUNG OTHER THINGS,
BUT DON'T KEEP NOW.
Now they are our school master, to help us see how to keep GOD'S ten Commandments LAWS, AND help us worship and serve YESUAH, the sacrificial laws, that was ADDED till YESUAH CAME, which we dot keep, but they help show us what YESUAH IS doing TODAY IN THE minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
{ THESE ARE THE ONES INSIDE THE CITY, THE ONES THAT ARE KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,}

{And here is the ones out side the city, that are not keeping GOD'S COMMANDMENTS}
Revelation 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

{HE is telling THOSE that will be outside the city that they can come to YESUAH, REPENT AND CONFUS be obedient to his WORD and keep his commandments, that when the time of the FIRST RESURRECTION comes that they may enter the city and not be lost , for braking and walking on HIS ETURNUAL LAWS, SO THEY CAN BE IN THE CITY.}
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think that I am GOOD AT All, I am ONE OF GOD'S WORSE,
YOU have NO IDEAL, GOD IS GOOD NO ONE ELSE IS GOOD BUT GOD,
I am not ON here TO BE LIKED, BUT TO TRY TO GET TRUTH.
THOSE THAT DON'T WANT IT, I CAN not, BUT I PREY THAT GOD DOES,
As I need HIS MERCY AND HIS GRACE HIS GUIDENCE, AND HIS LOVE AND HIS CORRECTION, TO GET ME TO WALK IN THE WAYS I SHOULD GO. And MAY GOD Bless YOU AS GOD SEES what would be GOOD for YOU, NOT your WANTS , BUT YOUR NEED, As I ask for me also,
SINCERELY William


The ten commandments where wrote by YESUAH and wrote with YESUAH FINGER, AND was PUT, INSIDE THE ARK OF THE COVENVANT, meaning THAT they are ETURNUAL, AND IS OUR PART OF OUR COVENVANT WITH GOD, THE laws that he writes on our HEARTS,
THE hand writing of Moses was wrote by Moses and put in a side compartment on the outside of the ARK, because they was not ETURNUAL, and they was only going to last till the seed should come, WHICH was YESUAH, and was added because that they were braking GOD'S ten commandments, and was added to help them keep the ten commandments, TILL YESUAH CAME, And these are the laws that was Blotted out, the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, that Moses wrote, for GOD.
GALATIONS
3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

{ this telling us that the handwriting of MOSES was added to the to the ten commandments till YESUAH came, But then it is just our school master, to show us how YESUAH is WORKING in THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY, AMOUNG OTHER THINGS,
BUT DON'T KEEP NOW.
Now they are our school master, to help us see how to keep GOD'S ten Commandments LAWS, AND help us worship and serve YESUAH, the sacrificial laws, that was ADDED till YESUAH CAME, which we dot keep, but they help show us what YESUAH IS doing TODAY IN THE minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
{ THESE ARE THE ONES INSIDE THE CITY, THE ONES THAT ARE KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,}

{And here is the ones out side the city, that are not keeping GOD'S COMMANDMENTS}
Revelation 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

{HE is telling THOSE that will be outside the city that they can come to YESUAH, REPENT AND CONFUS be obedient to his WORD and keep his commandments, that when the time of the FIRST RESURRECTION comes that they may enter the city and not be lost , for braking and walking on HIS ETURNUAL LAWS, SO THEY CAN BE IN THE CITY.}
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

The command says do not commit adultry

it does not tell how what that looks like, each possible way it can be broken, or the most important part, how this is accomplished.

the jews, (taking this command as written) determined that it is only a sin if you actually do the act. And of course, if you were not caught, no one could judge you. Jesus corrected them all, by saying if you even look to a woman with lust you have broken that command (no way to determine that from the command itself)

the problem with command keeping is instead of looking to love and serve your spouse and the one you are tempted to sin with, you are looking to self, your flesh wants to sin, the only thing keeping you from sin is the command, eventually your flesh will win, because your mind is continually focused on that sin, and thou shalt not, the command weakens, and you fall into sin. (As paul said the law made sin increase, which is the opposite of what we would think would happen)

where as Jesus gave us a different way, it’s called the law of love, when we stop looking to fulfill our need for sexual pleasure, but instead turn to love not only our spouse, but the one we are tempted with, the thought of sin is not really there, the temptation is weak, the love you have for others is stronger than your love for self.and in the end, you end up not falling for temptation, of course the more you do this, the easier it gets and eventually, you are never even tempted, because that sin can not overcome you,

that’s how Christ showed us the way, sadly people want to return us to the law, a burden paul said the jews could not carry, what makes us think we are better than them?

 

[mailmandan]

The ten commandments where wrote by YESUAH and wrote with YESUAH FINGER, AND was PUT, INSIDE THE ARK OF THE COVENVANT, meaning THAT they are ETURNUAL, AND IS OUR PART OF OUR COVENVANT WITH GOD, THE laws that he writes on our HEARTS,
THE hand writing of Moses was wrote by Moses and put in a side compartment on the outside of the ARK, because they was not ETURNUAL, and they was only going to last till the seed should come, WHICH was YESUAH, and was added because that they were braking GOD'S ten commandments, and was added to help them keep the ten commandments, TILL YESUAH CAME, And these are the laws that was Blotted out, the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, that Moses wrote, for GOD.
GALATIONS
3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

{ this telling us that the handwriting of MOSES was added to the to the ten commandments till YESUAH came, But then it is just our school master, to show us how YESUAH is WORKING in THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY, AMOUNG OTHER THINGS,
BUT DON'T KEEP NOW.
Now they are our school master, to help us see how to keep GOD'S ten Commandments LAWS, AND help us worship and serve YESUAH, the sacrificial laws, that was ADDED till YESUAH CAME, which we dot keep, but they help show us what YESUAH IS doing TODAY IN THE minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
{ THESE ARE THE ONES INSIDE THE CITY, THE ONES THAT ARE KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,}

{And here is the ones out side the city, that are not keeping GOD'S COMMANDMENTS}
Revelation 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

{HE is telling THOSE that will be outside the city that they can come to YESUAH, REPENT AND CONFUS be obedient to his WORD and keep his commandments, that when the time of the FIRST RESURRECTION comes that they may enter the city and not be lost , for braking and walking on HIS ETURNUAL LAWS, SO THEY CAN BE IN THE CITY.}
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

You seem unable to make the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. God's commandments for new testament believers are not the 10 commandments (with all the rules, regulations and death penalties that went along with them) under the law of Moses (although the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated in the new testament for believers). I already explained this to you numerous times using scripture and even shared articles from ex-adventist websites that thoroughly explained this to you using scripture as well, but unfortunately, you are unable to see anything beyond your SDA church indoctrination. All I can do now is continue to pray that the veil will be lifted. (2 Corinthians 3:14-16)

 

[Duskey]

I PREY

Learn the meaning of this spelling.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus this tells us that YESUAH IS OUR HIGH PREIST.
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things [pertaining] to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
5:3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as [was] Aaron.
5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore [it is] of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
You need to study on what the HIGH PREIST DOES INTHE OLD TESTAMENT TO FIND OUT WHAT YESUAH IS DOING IN THE HEAVENLY Sanctuary, HE IS applying his blood to cover our sins when we prey and repent and ask YESUAH TO FOR GIVE US,
I have A on the Sanctuary, if you will send me your address, I will send you one, to help you study IT, GOD Bless as GOD sees GOOD FOR YOU, My e-mail is wrwelch1@outlook.com

Christ was a sacrifice offered to God to pay for the sins of those that his Father gave him, John 6:39. and he said that there would be no more sacrifice for sins. Heb 2:11-13,For both he that sanctifieth an they who are sanctified are all of one, for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN, saying, I will declare thy name unto my BRETHREN, in the midst of the CHURCH will I sing praise unto thee, and again, I will put my trust in him, and again, Behold I and the children which GOD HATH GIVEN ME. The children which God gave to Christ are the ones that he died for, and doing so, sanctified them. The question then remains, Did Christ sanctify (make holy) all of mankind?

Jesus is now a mediator for those that God gave him, and although there is no more sacrifice for them, after they are regenerated and commit a sin they lose their fellowship with God until they ask forgiveness through the name of Jesus, their mediator, who forgives them for that particular sin. As far as their eternal inheritance, those that are sanctified, no sin will keep them out of heaven because Jesus paid for all of their sins.

I would probably enjoy doing emails with you, if you would like. My email is; forestcook35@gmail.com.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Learn the meaning of this spelling.

This is an uncalled for remark. Does it make you feel superior?

 

[Duskey]

This is an uncalled for remark. Does it make you feel superior?

People who push perfectionism should know the cataclysmic difference between pray and prey, especially when practicing the latter much more so. Besides, if such people want to be taken seriously they should know the basic fundamentals of correct spelling regarding words that have polar opposite meanings when spelled differently.

 

[Blik]

Sure He does, yet "keep" His commandments for believers does not mean sinless perfection/flawlessly obey the 10 commandments under the law of Moses. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Don't confuse me with bud62.



Your straw man arguments are getting really old.

I do not understand you. In this post you quote 1 John 2:3 telling us to walk as the Lord walks, yet you tell me that my stating this is "getting really old".

Why am I getting such bad feedback when I speak of desiring to be righteous? Paul tells us he desires to be righteous, is he also a strawman? Is it true as in one post (not yours) that to desire to be righteous is not the righteousness that Christ has given, but being SELFrighteous? Is it truly wrong to accept the forgiveness of sin that Christ offers?

 

[Blik]

People who push perfectionism should know the cataclysmic difference between pray and prey, especially when practicing the latter much more so. Besides, if such people want to be taken seriously they should know the basic fundamentals of correct spelling regarding words that have polar opposite meanings when spelled differently.

I seems that on this site, anyone who glories and sings the praises of what Christ does for us is lamblasted, and all but hung. Now people who accept the righteousness Christ offers are even criticized for spelling mistakes. Thank the Lord the people on this site don't know where I live. It seems sin is to be protected, not given to Christ for forgiveness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I seems that on this site, anyone who glories and sings the praises of what Christ does for us is lamblasted, and all but hung.

once again you

1. bear false witness

or

2. prove you have no comprehension of what people are actually saying

because what you just said here has no basis of fact whatsoever,

 

[Duskey]

I seems that on this site, anyone who glories and sings the praises of what Christ does for us is lamblasted, and all but hung.

People who push perfectionism are not praising what Christ has done for us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People who push perfectionism are not praising what Christ has done for us.

Amen

they are pushing what they think they do for God

pumping their chests like the pharisee

 

[Blik]

People who push perfectionism are not praising what Christ has done for us.

How is that? Christ forgives our sins, forgetting them, so we are cleansed of them. We are praising Him for doing this for us, give our will to Him. You call that "pushing perfectionism", and tell us now it is not praising the Lord? How did you come up with this conclusion?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How is that? Christ forgives our sins, forgetting them, so we are cleansed of them. We are praising Him for doing this for us, give our will to Him. You call that "pushing perfectionism", and tell us now it is not praising the Lord? How did you come up with this conclusion?

he did not

your refusal to listen to anyone has you seeing things which are not there.

may I ask why you are here? You can not have a normal conversation with anyone, whoever disagrees with you you pound with slander and lies, and you preach how you love Gods commands, yet you continually break the very commands you insist we all follow.

 

[Blik]

once again you

1. bear false witness

or

2. prove you have no comprehension of what people are actually saying

because what you just said here has no basis of fact whatsoever,

I say Christ forgives sin. I say Christ wants us to follow Him. My posts are said to be false. Yet posts about that the righteousness that our forgiveness gives us is objected to. Any posts speaking of giving our will to the Lord is labeled as saying we are perfect. Now there is a new objection, a saying in the same way that other labels of people are used, like calling a black person nigger. It is they are "people who push perfectionism". They forget that the Lord told us to be perfect, so God pushes perfectionism. We are only perfect through Christ.

When the rubber hits the road, they are speaking against Christ offering us forgiveness.

 

[Blik]

he did not

your refusal to listen to anyone has you seeing things which are not there.

may I ask why you are here? You can not have a normal conversation with anyone, whoever disagrees with you you pound with slander and lies, and you preach how you love Gods commands, yet you continually break the very commands you insist we all follow.

I speak for scripture, this posters speaks about my person. She wants me rid of as completely as wanting someone murdered.

 

[Yahshua]

People who push perfectionism are not praising what Christ has done for us.

Christ didn't and doesn't do the work of a believer "growing up" to learn right from wrong. Christ did the work of removing the trap door of death that springs when one does something wrong so they have a chance to grow up.

The only way to praise what Christ has done is to try with every once of strength to withstand temptation and to do good, every single day, even if it doesn't happen all the time.

This is a pure heart the king honors.

An unchanged heart is one that looks for loopholes to still fulfill the lusts of their flesh.

 

[Yahshua]

I speak for scripture, this posters speaks about my person. She wants me rid of as completely as wanting someone murdered.

Exactly, whenever conversation strays from the subject, to the person, that's the very 1st moment of violation.

Note who begins it often.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I say Christ forgives sin. I say Christ wants us to follow Him. My posts are said to be false. ss.

if this is ALL you said, you would have a point

but you say MUCH MORE than this

it is the other stuff we disagree with

we all agree that Christ forgives sin and he wants us to follow him, so if we judge things are false we would judge ourselves as false teachers

again, your issue is you fail to listen to what we are saying

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I speak for scripture, this posters speaks about my person. She wants me rid of as completely as wanting someone murdered.

You have shown you have no ide what that person is saying

you can’t judge them until you understand them, other wise, Your just spouting something based not on fact, but what you see,