Replacement theology.

[eternally-gratefull]

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Mmmm... probably not.

Yep

the promise than in him shall all the nations be blessed

we are abrahams seed in that we are blessed by christ

that has nothing to do with the seperate promise God gave to only one of his children and all of his physical descendents,

 

[Journeyman]

the jews did nothing recieve Jesus because they did not think they needed an eternal savior they expected a king to free them from Rome!

They misread prophecy and missed the hidden mystery as Paul spoke the law became a stumbling stone

They also like you reject OT prophecy concerning the time of the messiah even rejecting Daniel as a prophet. Because according to them Daniels prophecies failed (and according the law God have concerning prophets he is thus deemed a false prophet)

I am not wrong my friend. Jesus fulfilled part of Daniels and other prophecies concerning the suffering servant literally. He will also fulfill the messianic prophecies literally also

Sadly like them. You do not see them either only you make them Symbolic instead of taking them literally.
They rejected him because they took him literally but misinterpreted
You reject because you take them symbolically so it fits your belief system
Your both wrong

Happy Thanksgiving.
I believe Jesus fulfilled Daniels prophecy. I believe the prophecy is complete in Christ. I believe this is where all disagreement comes from.

 

[Guojing]

Yep they have to believe God

who told them they had to confirm and obey every word, if they failed they were cursed (in other words, Gods demand was perfection)

for those who were not perfect (everyone, for all have sinned) there was the sacrificial system, which showed what had to happen for mankind to even come near god,

it also showed mankind’s position was so severe only a high priest could come to Gods presence, and even at that, only after the was cleansed. and if he failed in even one are, he died instantly.

the law NEVER saved on person, it condemned every person, because NO ONE could keep the law as required by God, that’s WHY God had to send his son, it’s also why God had to “pass over” the sins of the OT saints, because although they were saved by grace through faith, their sin debt had not been paid yet,

Well I already quoted Luke 1:6 to you.

Yes, the law was the only way in time past, for Israel to show faith in God

 

[Journeyman]

Yes it is literally hapoening
The last part if zech 12 will happen also

It has and is happening. It happens whenever people come to faith in Jesus. In Christ is the key that unlocks all scripture.

 

[Journeyman]

That was not their mission though

Yes it was,

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mk.16:15

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Happy Thanksgiving.
I believe Jesus fulfilled Daniels prophecy. I believe the prophecy is complete in Christ. I believe this is where all disagreement comes from.

Jesus will fulfill daniels prophecy when he comes

at no point in the past has all flesh on earth been threatened until the advent of nuclear war.

there are to many variables of things which you have to prove to me have accrued, before I could see it yur way

oh and Happy thanksgiving

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well I already quoted Luke 1:6 to you.

Yes, the law was the only way in time past, for Israel to show faith in God

I am saddened you think God needs proof that one has faith. Is he so weak he can not know until we prove it to him?
it’s not God who needs proof, it is we who need proof. We can fool ourselves,

but God knows

so no. The jews did not have to do anything to prove they had faith, king David was known and a man after Gods heart as a teenager, he went on to com it many grave sins, yet God knew him personally as his child as a teen.

 

[Guojing]

I am saddened you think God needs proof that one has faith. Is he so weak he can not know until we prove it to him?
it’s not God who needs proof, it is we who need proof. We can fool ourselves,

but God knows

so no. The jews did not have to do anything to prove they had faith, king David was known and a man after Gods heart as a teenager, he went on to com it many grave sins, yet God knew him personally as his child as a teen.

I read what the bible said literally, without anticipating revelation like you.

If the Bible stated that Israel had to obey the Law of Moses as part of the covenant they made with God at Mount Sinai, I don't try to insert Paul's revelation of the mystery into it.

FYI, David himself stated he loved the Law. (Psalms 119:97)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It has and is happening. It happens whenever people come to faith in Jesus. In Christ is the key that unlocks all scripture.

It was? It is?

7 “The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

the repentance of judah!

10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of [c]Megiddo. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

When did This happen, how is this happening?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes it was,

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mk.16:15

Nope

their mission for being formed was to show the world the one true God, and the world witnessed through them the blessings and peace of the results of following God, and not following other gods,

its all through the OT, and as I showed about a week agao, it will be the purpose for which they are restored also.

your Talking about the mission of the NT church, which was given to all, Jew and gentile alike

 

[pottersclay]

Could you identify which of these statements are reconstructing the truth?

For while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Please please stop where you are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I read what the bible said literally, without anticipating revelation like you.

If the Bible stated that Israel had to obey the Law of Moses as part of the covenant they made with God at Mount Sinai, I don't try to insert Paul's revelation of the mystery into it.

FYI, David himself stated he loved the Law. (Psalms 119:97)

The Bible stated the no one has obeyed the law as required

please stop with your remarks of how yu follow the Bible, it’s arrogant, and one of the reasons I usually pass on discussing anything with you. Yu don’t follow the word, yu follow what you think the word says, we all do this

 

[Guojing]

The Bible stated the no one has obeyed the law as required

please stop with your remarks of how yu follow the Bible, it’s arrogant, and one of the reasons I usually pass on discussing anything with you. Yu don’t follow the word, yu follow what you think the word says, we all do this

Didn't I already quoted for you Luke 1:6?

I am saying I follow what the Bible literally says. If you think that is an arrogant remark, that is your prerogative.

 

[Journeyman]

Yep

the promise than in him shall all the nations be blessed

we are abrahams seed in that we are blessed by christ

that has nothing to do with the seperate promise God gave to only one of his children and all of his physical descendents,

Does the promise made to Abraham include Esau?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Didn't I already quoted for you Luke 1:6?

I am saying I follow what the Bible literally says. If you think that is an arrogant remark, that is your prerogative.

Luke one 6

lets compair this with Romans 3. ”for all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory”

so you see, you interpret Luke 6 the way you want, not with scripture which must be in agreement

so yes. You claiming you interpret the word and yur right is arrogant,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Does the promise made to Abraham include Esau?

Concerning the promise given to Jacob?

no

because When esau and Jacob was born, God only gave confirmed it with Jacob. god never said to esau,to your u and your descendents I give this land,

God gave esau a different land, and it was never given as an eternal promise.

it was also his 12 sons to whom the promise was confirmed.

I would have thought you knew this,

 

[Guojing]

Luke one 6

lets compair this with Romans 3. ”for all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory”

so you see, you interpret Luke 6 the way you want, not with scripture which must be in agreement

so yes. You claiming you interpret the word and yur right is arrogant,

As I keep telling you, I don't anticipate revelation.

The revelations given to the Apostle Paul for the Body of Christ was not known in time past.

You keep wanting to insert them into the OT.

You don't want to acknowledge that those revelations were unknown before Paul? No one living before Paul would have known those, otherwise Paul would not have called them a mystery, throughout his epistles.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As I keep telling you, I don't anticipate revelation.

The revelations given to the Apostle Paul for the Body of Christ was not known in time past.

You keep wanting to insert them into the OT.

You don't want to acknowledge that those revelations were unknown before Paul? No one living before Paul would have known those, otherwise Paul would not have called them a mystery, throughout his epistles.

As I am telling you, you are interpreting the word in your own view

it was moses who made them it to confirm and obey every word. Not paul

no one kept the law as required

that’s WHY the law confirms all under sin

your hebrew roots legalism is in error.

 

[Guojing]

As I am telling you, you are interpreting the word in your own view

it was moses who made them it to confirm and obey every word. Not paul

no one kept the law as required

that’s WHY the law confirms all under sin

your hebrew roots legalism is in error.

Once Paul revealed Romans 3, as you did, yes I can agree with you.

Nevertheless, God gave Israel the Law of Moses at Mount Sinai. If a Jew don't want to follow the Law then, he will not be showing faith in God.

And if you were a male gentile during the OT, you cannot decline to become a Jew, decline physical circumcision nor decline to follow the Law of Moses and try to claim that you are trusting in Christ's imputed righteousness at the cross, for your justification before God.

You will not be included in Abraham's bosom, at your death, without doing those works.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Yep they have to believe God

who told them they had to confirm and obey every word, if they failed they were cursed (in other words, Gods demand was perfection)

for those who were not perfect (everyone, for all have sinned) there was the sacrificial system, which showed what had to happen for mankind to even come near god,

it also showed mankind’s position was so severe only a high priest could come to Gods presence, and even at that, only after the was cleansed. and if he failed in even one are, he died instantly.

the law NEVER saved on person, it condemned every person, because NO ONE could keep the law as required by God, that’s WHY God had to send his son, it’s also why God had to “pass over” the sins of the OT saints, because although they were saved by grace through faith, their sin debt had not been paid yet,

Hi brother @eternally-gratefull ...
I am still learning loads about the OT times , so bare with me...
Is it right that when the priest went into the holy of holy's , they had like a little bell that jingled , to let the people know that the sacrifice was accepted to God ? but if it went quiet , the priest died and they knew that the sacrifice was not good ...
...xox...