Today’s church’s misunderstandings

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gb9

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10 Ten Commandments are for all man kind....here Paul tells us that apart from the ceremonial practice the commandments are what matter. ( Sabbath included seeing how The Sabbath was made at creation for all not just Jews. ) no such thing as a Jew in the Garden of eden 1 Corinthians 7:19 (NKJV): 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
nope.
Sabbath was given to Israel at Sinai through Moses.

Jesus- the Law came through Moses...
 

gb9

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Scripture speaks of ethnic Israel, the physical nation of the true Israel in God's eyes. Paul spoke of Israel as those who have faith. You feel that the old testament is speaking only to physical sons of Abraham, and it seems to me, according to scripture telling of speaking to strangers, that the instructions are given to mankind, telling of the ways of the lord. We see darkly, some day we will know for sure.

well, you know, it is not good to build theology around your own opinions .

as i have told you multiple times, God spoke to Moses in Leviticus of the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those who came out of egypt"

so, it is very clear that God made a singular Covenant with a singular people. the Sabbath was in that Covenant.

so, no, the Law was not given to the whole world.
 

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10 Ten Commandments are for all man kind....here Paul tells us that apart from the ceremonial practice the commandments are what matter. ( Sabbath included seeing how The Sabbath was made at creation for all not just Jews. ) no such thing as a Jew in the Garden of eden 1 Corinthians 7:19 (NKJV): 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Wasn't it the pharisees making this the requirement?


Acts 15
5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The answer.
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
 

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nope.
Sabbath was given to Israel at Sinai through Moses.

Jesus- the Law came through Moses...
Notice it says Gods commandments. gb9 we have already established that the Sabbath was made at creation not just at Sinai. Gen 2
 

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Wasn't it the pharisees making this the requirement?


Acts 15
5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The answer.
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
The Corinth Church was full of Gentiles and Paul was just telling them you don't have to become a jew..But keeping the commandment of God are what matter to the Christ follower. 1 cor 7:19
 

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Notice it says Gods commandments. gb9 we have already established that the Sabbath was made at creation not just at Sinai. Gen 2
you have established that you have no respect for God's Word, since you claim it says things it does not.

Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with salvation through faith in Christ, and gentiles were never commanded to keep it.
 

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The Corinth Church was full of Gentiles and Paul was just telling them you don't have to become a jew..But keeping the commandment of God are what matter to the Christ follower. 1 cor 7:19
5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The answer.
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
 

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you have established that you have no respect for God's Word, since you claim it says things it does not.

Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with salvation through faith in Christ, and gentiles were never commanded to keep it.
So you assume I am talking about Salvation. Nope this is a wrong a assumption. No one can keep the law to be saved. Now having said that maybe now you can hear what we are really saying. That the bible says if you Love me keep my commandments.
 

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5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The answer.
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
You don't have to post it twice. Your just missing my point. The differences being made here is that 10 commandments are not part of the law of Moses the law of Moses was added to the 10 commanments. They were for all man kind. including the sabbath.
 

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You don't have to post it twice. Your just missing my point. The differences being made here is that 10 commandments are not part of the law of Moses the law of Moses was added to the 10 commanments. They were for all man kind. including the sabbath.
It says 'circumcision AND to keep the law of Moses .
 

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So you assume I am talking about Salvation. Nope this is a wrong a assumption. No one can keep the law to be saved. Now having said that maybe now you can hear what we are really saying. That the bible says if you Love me keep my commandments.
Jesus was speaking of the Commands He gave while on earth.

right before that He said " if you ask Me for anything in my name, i will do it".

and then after that he said " i will ask the Father and He will send the Advocate ....."

so, Jesus was not speaking of the Torah, but His commands He gave in Person.
 

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5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The answer.
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
What doe this have to do with the Sabbath?? we are talking about the 10 commandments not the Law of Moses.
 

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You don't have to post it twice. Your just missing my point. The differences being made here is that 10 commandments are not part of the law of Moses the law of Moses was added to the 10 commanments. They were for all man kind. including the sabbath.
^ except, the Covenant God made with Isreal contained all of them, and no other nation was given them.

Psalms 147- He has revealed His Word to Jacob, His Laws and Decrees to Israel, He has done this for no other nation.

so, hebrew roots fails again.
 

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It says 'circumcision AND to keep the law of Moses .
Its says cirumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is not thing but Keeping the 10 commandments are what matter. how is that not a clear point? The law of Moses concerning uncircumcsion but the Sabbath part of the 10 commandments that God wrote. the law of Moses was made by Moses.
 

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What doe this have to do with the Sabbath?? we are talking about the 10 commandments not the Law of Moses.
That's you confusing the commands .
19¶Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21¶Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
 

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^ except, the Covenant God made with Isreal contained all of them, and no other nation was given them.

Psalms 147- He has revealed His Word to Jacob, His Laws and Decrees to Israel, He has done this for no other nation.

so, hebrew roots fails again.
I think your just out of arguments. And this is just a cop-out.
 

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That's you confusing the commands .
19¶Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21¶Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Rom 3:31Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

The New King James Version. (1982). (Ro 3:31). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
 

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I think your just out of arguments. And this is just a cop-out.

is Psalms 147 Scripture or not??

all you judeaizers have the same tactic- ignore verses that invalidate your theology .
 

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Rom 3:31Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

The New King James Version. (1982). (Ro 3:31). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
For what purpose ? Not to be justified by them .