Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

[OIC1965]

The Gentiles are here look .
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Strangers do not come to the Shepherd. The Shepherd is not rounding up strangers. UNTIL all be fulfilled.

There you go. You seem to have have Jewish and gentile Christians as seperate organisms under different programs. You just admitted it.

 

[throughfaith]

There you go. You have Jewish and gentile Christians as seperate organisms under different gospels.

1¶Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

 

[OIC1965]

There is not that many chapters in 2 peter lol 😆

You know I meant 1 Peter 5:4. I’ve been bringing it up for several pages.

Who is God’s fold in 1 Peter 5:4?

 

[throughfaith]

So who is Jesus a shepherd for in 2 Peter 5:4?

I don't see the connection to the sheep in John 10 ?

 

[soggykitten]

Isn't it strange why your finding those references outside of Paul's letters and it is important to check who the author is writing to . Otherwise your saying Peter, James, John ect are confused about the Church when they write to the Jews .

And you didn't actually answer their question with that side track. Can you answer their question?

 

[OIC1965]

1¶Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Are you a hyper dispensationalist?

 

[OIC1965]

I don't see the connection to the sheep in John 10 ?

We didn’t start there. We started with the verse that say Jesus loses none of His sheep. You said that was Calvinistic.

 

[throughfaith]

You know I meant 1 Peter 5:4. I’ve been bringing it up for several pages.

Who is God’s fold in 1 Peter 5:4?

In the old testament when Jesus says he only came for the lost sheep of Israel we can readily understand this clear passage . Lost implies ' belonging ' to . This would refer to ISRAEL . So aside from Jesus s clear words as to who he was sent to only the LOST sheep of the house of ISRAEL . In light of eph 2 .12 Gentiles cannot be referred to as LOST . They were STRANGERS , WITHOUT GOD . In what sense were gentiles lost ?

 

[soggykitten]

You know I meant 1 Peter 5:4. I’ve been bringing it up for several pages.

Who is God’s fold in 1 Peter 5:4?

I wouldn't worry. TF is wrong. I don't think you'll ever change their mind with scripture.

John10:14 “I am the good shepherd. I[ag] know my own[ah] and my own know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life[ai] for[aj] the sheep. 16 I have[ak] other sheep that do not come from[al] this sheepfold.[am] I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice,[an] so that[ao] there will be one flock and[ap] one shepherd. 17 This is why the Father loves me[aq]—because I lay down my life,[ar] so that I may take it back again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down[as] of my own free will.[at] I have the authority[au] to lay it down, and I have the authority[av] to take it back again. This commandment[aw] I received from my Father.”

Jesus spoke in parables that his people understood quite well.

 

[OIC1965]

In the old testament when Jesus says he only came for the lost sheep of Israel we can readily understand this clear passage . Lost implies ' belonging ' to . This would refer to ISRAEL . So aside from Jesus s clear words as to who he was sent to only the LOST sheep of the house of ISRAEL . In light of eph 2 .12 Gentiles cannot be referred to as LOST . They were STRANGERS , WITHOUT GOD . In what sense were gentiles lost ?

what does that verse have to do with the fact that Jesus will lose none of His sheep?

Is Jesus a shepherd to only Jews or nobody in your view?

 

[throughfaith]

Are you a hyper dispensationalist?

I've been called a Hypercondriac before lol 😆 but no I am not . I'm trying to avoid the trap of isms and ists

 

[OIC1965]

In the old testament when Jesus says he only came for the lost sheep of Israel we can readily understand this clear passage . Lost implies ' belonging ' to . This would refer to ISRAEL . So aside from Jesus s clear words as to who he was sent to only the LOST sheep of the house of ISRAEL . In light of eph 2 .12 Gentiles cannot be referred to as LOST . They were STRANGERS , WITHOUT GOD . In what sense were gentiles lost ?

Ok, we know that you don’t think you need Jesus to shepherd you, so we can drop it.

 

[OIC1965]

I've been called a Hypercondriac before lol 😆 but no I am not . I'm trying to avoid the trap of isms and ists

You seem to put Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians under different programs. But ok. We can just disagree and move on

 

[throughfaith]

what does that verse have to do with the fact that Jesus will lose none of His sheep?

Is Jesus a shepherd to only Jews or nobody in your view?

I think your over generalising now . back to our original old testament text in Mat 15 . THE LOST SHEEP . LOST !!!! this is obviously talking about ISRAEL . I say this of Course because Jesus tells us who these LOST !!! Sheep are . ISRAEL !!! LOST . Gentiles no matter which fold , flock or pen you want to put them in . Gentiles were never LOST

 

[throughfaith]

Ok, we know that you don’t think you need Jesus to shepherd you, so we can drop it.

The only LOST were ISRAEL .

 

[throughfaith]

You seem to put Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians under different programs. But ok. We can just disagree and move on

Were dealing with Mat and John before the newtestamant and before the Church ??

 

[OIC1965]

The only LOST were ISRAEL .

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So Israelites who are saved have a shepherd and Gentiles who are saved don't. OK, if that's what you want to believe. Because Jesus didn't ever stop being a shepherd.

 

[OIC1965]

Were dealing with Mat and John before the newtestamant and before the Church ??

'No, because Jesus is STILL a SHEPHERD. He will return as the Chief shepherd to reward the undershepherds 1 Peter 5:4

so is He a shepherd to some bellevers or all?

 

[throughfaith]

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So Israelites who are saved have a shepherd and Gentiles who are saved don't. OK, if that's what you want to believe. Because Jesus didn't ever stop being a shepherd.

Can we at least agree that Gentiles have never been Lost sheep?

 

[OIC1965]

Can we at least agree that Gentiles have never been Lost sheep?

That was never the point of what I said. I said Jesus will lose none of His sheep. You thought that was Calvinistic, so you went off on a giant tangent about other verses. Jesus didn't say lost sheep in John 10:16 anyways