Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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I tried for many years to “get saved”, “make a commitment “, “accept Jesus as lord and savior “. I went forward in many church services. Got baptized over twenty times must have been. “Prayed through “. I did it all. I even went forward in a church service on my knees publicly in humility. Cried out, begged God and kept telling him I would serve him if he would save me. Nothing. Sky was brass. One day I was reading romans 4 and it’s like a light dawned on me. I trusted in Jesus Christ and in him alone for my salvation. That very instant the burden of sin left me. I knew God had taken away my sins for Christ sake. And I had bible to back it up. And still do. If and man is IN CHRIST he’s a new creation. In Christ first, then the new creation. What a wonderful change in my life has been wrought since Jesus came into my heart
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People make what we do the big deal. I don’t remember even saying a prayer, though I had said it a million times. I didn’t tell God how sorry I was. He already knew. I just trusted Christ. And it made me want to serve him. That’s it. Simple faith. My conversion was very similar to John Wesley in nature. No “sinners prayer”. And it made an eternal difference. None of this clean your life up. Divorce the devil before you marry Christ. None of that mess. Just simple faith in his shed blood. Last thing a true believer wants to do at salvation is to continue on in their sins. Repentance over sin isn’t the root of salvation. But it always is the fruit. Salvation makes a definite change.
that’s salvation , keep letting him pick us up and dust us off and we keep
On persevering all the while we have his assurance as we follow he will not let us go . It’s when we hear his call in the gospel and we reject it when we begin to look away and eventually fall away
perseverance is the call of Christians
“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”
Luke 9:23 KJV
and to those who hear him and follow he gives an assurance consistantly
In his word if only we would hear and believe him and learn of him Notice the connection in hearing and following him
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.”
John 10:27-31
we have assurance right beside the teachings about repentance and righteousness the assurance he gives is always based on belief in him , hearing and accepting his word , heeding and following the truth
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
the truth he bore witness to is what we need to believe to understand and grasp The long and high and wide and deep gospel of God. The light he brought forth of judgement and truth
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:23-24 KJV
in spirit
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
and in truth
“I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
John 17:14,
“That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
Ephesians 5:26-27 KJV
the gospel is pure water we are to be washed in his word in order to cleanse our hearts and minds , sanctifying us inwardly so our fruit is worthy.
On persevering all the while we have his assurance as we follow he will not let us go . It’s when we hear his call in the gospel and we reject it when we begin to look away and eventually fall away
perseverance is the call of Christians
“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”
Luke 9:23 KJV
and to those who hear him and follow he gives an assurance consistantly
In his word if only we would hear and believe him and learn of him Notice the connection in hearing and following him
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.”
John 10:27-31
we have assurance right beside the teachings about repentance and righteousness the assurance he gives is always based on belief in him , hearing and accepting his word , heeding and following the truth
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
the truth he bore witness to is what we need to believe to understand and grasp The long and high and wide and deep gospel of God. The light he brought forth of judgement and truth
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:23-24 KJV
in spirit
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
and in truth
“I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
John 17:14,
“That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
Ephesians 5:26-27 KJV
the gospel is pure water we are to be washed in his word in order to cleanse our hearts and minds , sanctifying us inwardly so our fruit is worthy.
it depends on if we serve sin or the Holy Spirit if we serve sin we will receive its reward , if we serve God we will receive the kingdom .
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we are free from the judgement we deserved according to the law of sin and death but now the judgement is eternal whether life or death . So who we serve has become of utmost importance now
we can serve sin still and die the death , or we can believe the gospel and be redeemed unto the gospel
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:15-18, 20-23 KJV
we can get baptized and say I believe but if we continue to serve satans will in the world we belong to him . If we repent and begin serving God through Christ we will be saved from the punishment over all sin.
receiving the Holy Ghost is the beginning salvation from condemnation comes when we follow the spirit to be free from sin
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
see there how we can’t walk after the flesh and claim anything but by not following the flesh and following the spirit we are Made free ?
the works of the flesh is the actions and attitudes of sin everything the gospel cleanses from the heart and mind
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
What we do in response to what has been done for us by the lord , matters equally , it’s not about what we did , but about what we do . We aren’t perfect yet but we have the power to repent and change for God to begin making Gods important things our important things
really good discussion thank you and I’m so sorry for the length of
My responses I get carried away I appreciate you my sibling
but the lord appreciated you far more
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we are free from the judgement we deserved according to the law of sin and death but now the judgement is eternal whether life or death . So who we serve has become of utmost importance now
we can serve sin still and die the death , or we can believe the gospel and be redeemed unto the gospel
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:15-18, 20-23 KJV
we can get baptized and say I believe but if we continue to serve satans will in the world we belong to him . If we repent and begin serving God through Christ we will be saved from the punishment over all sin.
receiving the Holy Ghost is the beginning salvation from condemnation comes when we follow the spirit to be free from sin
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
see there how we can’t walk after the flesh and claim anything but by not following the flesh and following the spirit we are Made free ?
the works of the flesh is the actions and attitudes of sin everything the gospel cleanses from the heart and mind
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
What we do in response to what has been done for us by the lord , matters equally , it’s not about what we did , but about what we do . We aren’t perfect yet but we have the power to repent and change for God to begin making Gods important things our important things
really good discussion thank you and I’m so sorry for the length of
My responses I get carried away I appreciate you my sibling
but the lord appreciated you far more