OH NO!! Not another Halloween debate!

[Duskey]

It is my pleasure to burst your bubble. This cat never takes anything online personally.

Introducing Christmas into this was to make a point. Thus far you've not provided any proofs for your claims.
If you're against Halloween ignore it.
Halloween is a marketing ploy just like Valentines Day. Not a thing to do with the occult or the enemy of God.

Like I said, I’m open to being corrected but as of this point no bubble of mine has burst. That said, I do find the magnitude of your ego quite amusing. You may proceed, kitty. 🐱

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Which confirms my entire point you see about "by force". That is there is the "Grinch that stole Christmas", and the "Scrooge" which are from children's stories and they are taught to the young as their preconditioning of the holidays. If anyone doesn't participate then they are punished. You chose to use "the Grinch" as mine but there are a lot of them like "trick or treat" meaning "give us a treat or we will do some sort of trick to you(usually bad/punishment)".

I'm not even going to take this seriously, Mr Grinch

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Normally I would agree with your sentiments however some believers have a deeper sense of reverence for certain aspects of God than other believers.

What part of the aspects of God tells me to be concerned about whether the world should do a thing or not?
Ya know Calvin along with other reformers tried that theocracy thing, you should read up on what Geneva was like under Calvin. Almost 100 people killed for theological disagreement, and hundreds more exiled for minor stuff like failing to attend a service or have playing cards.
So in a world of civil upheaval, human trafficking, drug addiction, starvation, poverty, and evil of various kinds. I don't have mental space for combating the ravages of children dresses as cartoon characters knocking doors for candy. Maybe use it; make sure you give out the good candy along with some Bible's and church schedules.

 

[Duskey]

What part of the aspects of God tells me to be concerned about whether the world should do a thing or not?
Ya know Calvin along with other reformers tried that theocracy thing, you should read up on what Geneva was like under Calvin. Almost 100 people killed for theological disagreement, and hundreds more exiled for minor stuff like failing to attend a service or have playing cards.
So in a world of civil upheaval, human trafficking, drug addiction, starvation, poverty, and evil of various kinds. I don't have mental space for combating the ravages of children dresses as cartoon characters knocking doors for candy. Maybe use it; make sure you give out the good candy along with some Bible's and church schedules.

My hands are washed of you, kid. You have no idea who you’re talking to if you’re equating me to Calvin. LOL 😆

Hopefully one day you’ll give God the reverence He deserves. I encourage you to prayerfully read scripture in order to obtain the necessary wisdom. And here’s a hint; all the ravages of this world you specified above occur in part because people are focused on the ways of paganism rather than Christ. Have a nice day. 😊

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Oh and Christians with bad theology are often worse than heathens.
I mean if I were going to take up a battle it would probably be bad theology inside the churches.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

My hands are washed of you, kid. You have no idea who you’re talking to if you’re equating me to Calvin. LOL 😆

Hopefully one day you’ll give God the reverence He deserves. I encourage you to prayerfully read scripture in order to obtain the necessary wisdom. And here’s a hint; all the ravages of this world you specified above occur in part because people are focused on the ways of paganism rather than Christ. Have a nice day. 😊

So you think that contrary to the Bible that we can create laws and ordinance that stops people from being paganistic?

 

[Duskey]

So you think that contrary to the Bible that we can create laws and ordinance that stops people from being paganistic?

I never even remotely suggested that. I’ve never corresponded with you before but it’s easy to see you’re one of those people who put words into other peoples mouths. That nonsense doesn’t fly with me. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy some candy.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I never even remotely suggested that. I’ve never corresponded with you before but it’s easy to see you’re one of those people who put words into other peoples mouths. That nonsense doesn’t fly with me. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to buy some candy.

So what are we supposed to do then?
I suggested giving out the good candy, and perhaps some Bible's and church schedules. How much more concerned are we supposed to be? The world is gonna world, that's outta my hands.

 

[crossnote]

I think to understand why you would need to see things from each nations point of view. I live in the US but my family never followed their pattern of holidays other than by force. Why I say by force is that even if you say to them that you don't celebrate one of their holidays they say "oh,okay" but you are forced to participate(schools,workplace ect.) anyway.

After looking at what is taking place my whole life from the point of view of an observer(trying to avoid their holidays) what I see that is taking place is that they became conditioned to this from childhood without noticing they have. The merchants advertise the different holidays to increase their sales and because it is good for the economy the government approves of it.

So at the beginning of the year to boost the economy you file to get a tax refund. Then after they spend that money comes the next holiday(valentines day) and so they sell candy/valentines) and so the teachers send home notes with the kids telling them what to bring to school. Then the cycle of month after month of holidays takes place until Christmas(end of year) and then it starts again in January. Even the stores have a "seasonal section" that is set up for each holiday/season and then reset for the next big party and they throw party after party for themselves in a cycle without realizing their doing it.

What you described is what my family, during my growing up, did as non Christians. I think the OP wants to know if 'Christians' should participate in pagan rituals.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Titus 1:15 NASB1995
https://bible.com/bible/100/tit.1.15.NASB1995

 

[iamsoandso]

What you described is what my family, during my growing up, did as non Christians. I think the OP wants to know if 'Christians' should participate in pagan rituals.

My original post was to Kim82 in response to what she commented not the OP so it wont seem to address the OP. Something else to bare in mind is that in the 1920"s-30's is when a lot of these holidays began to spring up. Before that time some did celebrate different customs/holidays carried over from Catholicism. Pilgrims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_(Plymouth_Colony) saw one teaching and still followed some of Catholic teachings,customs,holidays ect.

Puritans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritans did not they thought to break away from the Church of England and the Catholic teachings,holidays,customs ect... So across time different Christians saw the different holidays in different manners an example is Christmas https://www.baptistpress.com/resour...-baptists-have-not-always-embraced-christmas/ as in the case of Southern Baptist. I was raised in the Churches of Christ(Puritan) from birth until I was about 18 which also does not follow these customs but there are many other Christians who do not.

So from the mid 1800's till now we in the US have transformed from those early manners of thinking to what we see and do today. These things(paradigm shifts) were things we learned across time so someone born in the 1920's will see this one way and those born in more recent years seem to see things as if they took place all along when they have not. The Godys ladies book(and others) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godey's_Lady's_Book are part of the transition by merchants by advertisement to bring these new customs into the modern days. If you consider those who are from different nations(CC is an international forum) as in Kim82's example then they would not understand how the US evolved into the holidays/customs we have.

 

[crossnote]

My original post was to Kim82 in response to what she commented not the OP so it wont seem to address the OP.

Ok, I assumed Kim was the OP, mea culpa, but my point still stands.
What you responded to of Kim's was this..."Im not understanding why Christians would take part in halloween. Im so happy that it hasn't caught on in my country. "
So Kim asked about 'why Christians would take part in Halloween?" and you answered more of 'why nations would celebrate Halloween'.

 

[iamsoandso]

Ok, I assumed Kim was the OP, mea culpa, but my point still stands.
What you responded to of Kim's was this..."Im not understanding why Christians would take part in halloween. Im so happy that it hasn't caught on in my country. "
So Kim asked about 'why Christians would take part in Halloween?" and you answered more of 'why nations would celebrate Halloween'.

Yes some nations were nationalized into their holidays,customs ect. but not everyone(or every Christian) in every nation(Exmpl. the US) follow all the holidays,customs ect,. of those nation's. As she stated of her own country it has not caught on there so I pointed out that not every Christian in the US does either and explained how it became custom. As to the OP, and the way it's worded I don't have any problem with candy nor would I be rude to any child that trick or treats at my door I don't see it as devil worship or Christian it's no more than playing checkers or marbles or any other game.

The only part that I see as concern is to see it evolved into a systematic control of the peoples patterns of spending. Not that buying candy is wrong or children playing games but that it has evolved into a system of spending cycles controlled by the merchants,media,government ect... So should Christians take part in Halloween?,,,well we hear disagreement over mask everyday but we wear the ones they sell each year without even noticing that they suggested we do and if you don't your Mr.Grinch...

 

[oldethennew]

I can well remember my 'flabbergasted' days when I discovered/saw that other pagan/communist, etc.,
countries celebrate the same holidays that the usa does...
but, just look at mardi-gras', talk about demonic and pagan and then look at the relationship
to what other countries do...

oh yes, got to find/discover God's compass concerning these things, else, as the Good Book says;
GAL. 6:7.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.
8.
For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to The Spirit
shall of The Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[soggykitten]

So what are we supposed to do then?
I suggested giving out the good candy, and perhaps some Bible's and church schedules. How much more concerned are we supposed to be? The world is gonna world, that's outta my hands.

It may help to alleviate fear by learning about the early pagan cultures and especially as relates to what was their Samhain ("sow-en") celebration. A time to bring in the harvest before the turning of the sun into the cold season when stored crops would permit villagers to survive. Their horned god was the stag of the forest. Meat, protein, to keep themselves and their little ones alive. Skins to keep them warm. Antlers used for farming, and as handles for knives. Every part of that animal and all others hunted were used out of respect for its sacrifice to their survival.

When did the devil enter into the pagan cultures? When Christian missionaries introduced him as the adversary of their God.

Anyone who condemns the fun and innocent joy Halloween brings little kids today, when it is in no way near the celebration of the ancients, and contemporary pagans Samhain, are the ones that should commit to introspection.

The Devil has purchase on peoples souls when they don a cheap made in China costume? How silly!That would make God, in whose name this nation was grounded, a subordinate.
Beware of those who hope to lead us to believe that.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

It may help to alleviate fear by learning about the early pagan cultures and especially as relates to what was their Samhain ("sow-en") celebration. A time to bring in the harvest before the turning of the sun into the cold season when stored crops would permit villagers to survive. Their horned god was the stag of the forest. Meat, protein, to keep themselves and their little ones alive. Skins to keep them warm. Antlers used for farming, and as handles for knives. Every part of that animal and all others hunted were used out of respect for its sacrifice to their survival.

When did the devil enter into the pagan cultures? When Christian missionaries introduced him as the adversary of their God.

Anyone who condemns the fun and innocent joy Halloween brings little kids today, when it is in no way near the celebration of the ancients, and contemporary pagans Samhain, are the ones that should commit to introspection.

The Devil has purchase on peoples souls when they don a cheap made in China costume? How silly!That would make God, in whose name this nation was grounded, a subordinate.
Beware of those who hope to lead us to believe that.

I'm very much into naturalistic stuff. With my wild edibles, bush craft, oils, tinctures, and various preserved flowers and plants. You don't want to be travelling with me if I see a field with some wild herbs growing in or around it. I will be parked on the road side and out in the field harvesting. Picking flowers like a hippy. I saw a wild camphor bush the other day and just kneeled down and started putting flowers in my pockets. But I have some camphorated oil at home now.

 

[Duskey]

So what are we supposed to do then?

I like your idea; give a piece of candy and a Bible, or at least a hand-written Bible verse to go with the candy.

 

[tourist]

It is my pleasure to burst your bubble. This cat never takes anything online personally.

Introducing Christmas into this was to make a point. Thus far you've not provided any proofs for your claims.
If you're against Halloween ignore it.
Halloween is a marketing ploy just like Valentines Day. Not a thing to do with the occult or the enemy of God.

Halloween is all about the candy. Yeah, marketing ploy, same for Christmas and Easter. I really need to get some candy corn. I am going to check the candy prices Monday when I do my usual grocery shopping.

 

[tourist]

Well, aren't you the Grinch!
No one is forced to buy, but economics make it imperative that merchants take advantage of every holiday.
Merchants provide jobs, both to maintain their business, in selling goods that people make so they have jobs too, along with the transporting of goods, advertising, jobs jobs jobs; and all these workers pay taxes that provide for State and Federal funding........its amazing how many tentacles just one part of our economy touches.

Every ethic group has holidays that aren't necessarily shared by others. Italians have Columbus day, Jews have Hannekah et all, Mexicans have Cinco de Mayo (which by the way celebrates the massacre of white people in Tucson by Pancho Villa)......I'm a 4th of July person.......give me an hour of spectacle and I'm a happy camper.

Buy American

I used to be a 4th of July person until I moved to Orlando in 1985. Just to hot to enjoy. I now live in Clearwater which is a few degrees cooler being next to the Gulf of Mexico. The plan is to move to Tennessee next month but the exact location is unknown at this time. Hot there too on the 4th of July. Thousands of jobs depend on the marketing of Halloween, Christmas and Easter. Yes indeed, Buy American. I was at Universal Studios in Orlando one 4th of July and saw an absolutely awesome firework display.

 

[soggykitten]

Halloween is all about the candy. Yeah, marketing ploy, same for Christmas and Easter. I really need to get some candy corn. I am going to check the candy prices Monday when I do my usual grocery shopping.

That's the way to go about it. Wait till after Halloween when all the Halloween merch prices will be cut tremendously. And even more so as more days pass and the inventory remains.

Don't forget Valentines day. Spend and show your love. Can you imagine the diamond sales?