Why are Christians such phonies?

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saintrose

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When Christ would feed the multitudes there would be thousands of people there listening to Him and eating.

But when it came down to actually following Christ there were only 12 that would remain.


Something to keep in mind...
And He chose one who was a devil. I think there are a lot of Judas Iscariots around.
 

saintrose

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Read pilgrim's progress.
Read fox's book of martyrs.

It is important that you come through this dilemma that you find yourself in.

You have something special.

Your testimony can help thousands.

Even your current mindset.

You will be able to help others that are saying "christianity is a fraud"... "God sees horrible things and does nothing"
We must not go there.
Step into faith.

We must do that.

Once you do,a marvelous walk will begin

You must read those books.

You will get an impartation when you weep over their horrible endings.

You will see your deal as very minimal.

I gave you tools in your handing earlier posts.
You never even acknowledge anything.

Either get going into victory or go pout.

That bitterness will consume you.

Something in you HAS TO RISE UP.

You must activate the "hey,wait a minute,I dont have to put up with this"

I put a sword in your hand. Now go decapitate that demon.
The hour is late,you can not waste anymore time.

He is eating your lunch friend
Yes my husband has said it's Satan. But the TRUTH is that God DIDN'T help that girl, or the Guatemalan girl raped 100x a day, or the clients of the lawyer I know who were sexually abused.

THAT'S the TRUTH. Many Christians dismiss it with the same tired platitudes: We live in a sinful world, etc. But what about the discrepancies: God's promise to answer us when we call. He didn't. THAT'S THE TRUTH.

THAT IS WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH. WHY DID GOD SAY THOSE PROMISES IF HE DIDN'T MEAN THEM AND THEY'RE UNTRUE?

It's not my faith that's failing. I know God is, that's settled. It's why He doesn't do what He said.

So I know that some of the bible is true because I know Satan and demons are real, and I know I had a regeneration but these other things don't add up. And if most Christians are truly honest they'd say it too.

I never read Foxe's book of martyrs but I know of the end to the apostles. You may want to ready yourself because they have FEMA camps prepared for Christians. Maybe if you're raped 100x a day by a guard - and it's coming - you'd question God too. The government ordered thousands of GUILLOTINES. Why??? Just like scripture says "they were beheaded for their faith." I've lived with severe pain so I know what it's like and I'm afraid. It's so easy to be an armchair Christian when you're not severely tested like Job.

So many Trump believers think they have a Santa Claus in the WH making it all right but they have a demon in the WH. Mark my words: he will call for martial law.

That's when the fun will begin.

Cops are already sexually molesting women and get off - what do you think is going to happen during martial law? Has anyone studied Nazi Germany? We have barely any Constitution left. I can't say everything but I will say that our entire government has been subverted. Something is coming that most Christians are unprepared for. We DON'T HAVE A CHAMPION IN THE WHITE HOUSE! WE ARE ON OUR OWN.

That's part of what I'm feeling. "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." Ecclesiastes
 

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You need to calm down a bit. So a lot of christian churches in america are frauds that is to be expected in a land that shows off how religious they are. apostasy is satans goal. Hes herding goats not sheep. Sure the goats believe, but they believe in a god of their belly.

Cling to the faith once delivered to the saints. Find fellowship with the sheep and the true shepherd, not the goatherd.

why doesnt God do as He said? You lack patience. He will do it, but in His timing. He also gives people time to repent, and is loving and merciful.
 
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Yes my husband has said it's Satan. But the TRUTH is that God DIDN'T help that girl, or the Guatemalan girl raped 100x a day, or the clients of the lawyer I know who were sexually abused.

THAT'S the TRUTH. Many Christians dismiss it with the same tired platitudes: We live in a sinful world, etc. But what about the discrepancies: God's promise to answer us when we call. He didn't. THAT'S THE TRUTH.

THAT IS WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH. WHY DID GOD SAY THOSE PROMISES IF HE DIDN'T MEAN THEM AND THEY'RE UNTRUE?

It's not my faith that's failing. I know God is, that's settled. It's why He doesn't do what He said.

So I know that some of the bible is true because I know Satan and demons are real, and I know I had a regeneration but these other things don't add up. And if most Christians are truly honest they'd say it too.

I never read Foxe's book of martyrs but I know of the end to the apostles. You may want to ready yourself because they have FEMA camps prepared for Christians. Maybe if you're raped 100x a day by a guard - and it's coming - you'd question God too. The government ordered thousands of GUILLOTINES. Why??? Just like scripture says "they were beheaded for their faith." I've lived with severe pain so I know what it's like and I'm afraid. It's so easy to be an armchair Christian when you're not severely tested like Job.

So many Trump believers think they have a Santa Claus in the WH making it all right but they have a demon in the WH. Mark my words: he will call for martial law.

That's when the fun will begin.

Cops are already sexually molesting women and get off - what do you think is going to happen during martial law? Has anyone studied Nazi Germany? We have barely any Constitution left. I can't say everything but I will say that our entire government has been subverted. Something is coming that most Christians are unprepared for. We DON'T HAVE A CHAMPION IN THE WHITE HOUSE! WE ARE ON OUR OWN.

That's part of what I'm feeling. "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." Ecclesiastes
I know what you say.

You assume I have not been through hell.

My world came to an end in 1999 when my little 14 yr old girl ran away from home to be with satanists.
I was like job
Completely destroyed.

I would go into the woods and cry out to God "Jesus help me,please please help me. Cant you help just a little bit?"
On and on,over and over, day and night.
I had a thread of faith and God. But mostly fear and anger at God.

About 4 or 5 days of crying out to God in faithless fear.

Then one day Jesus showed up. I was in my shop and was walking over to the electric box to turn on the lights,and whispering my cry for help.

God said "STOP IT! DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE!. NOW CRY OUT MY NAME IN FAITH"

I began to immediately do that. "JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! "over and over.

Then it happened.
The power came from heaven.
I was so filled with virtue and power and anointing of the Holy Spirit!!!
I Could barely contain myself.
What an awesome God!

With that impartation came some real steadfastness. I could see in the spirit that if I stand in faith and declare what heaven has I will come through any trial.

No matter what the trial is ....we win.
We DO NOT have victory because things went right.

WE HAVE VICTORY NO MATTER what goes wrong.
No matter what....WE HAVE VICTORY.
BIG GOD....LITTLE DEVIL
BIG GOD....trials come...so what!!!!

The man of faith is not centered on trials or as you put it "bad things happening to others"
You have inadvertantly consigned to see tragedy and demon attacks/evil people as bigger than God.

I say rise up and be counted in the realm of faith.
God is way bigger than ANYTHING that has happened to you or to others that you think God winked at.

I am seasoned and tied in fire.
I am not abstract here say.
I have walked in your shoes.
I know what the realm of faith is. It is the supernatural.
Humans walk with their eyes.
The man of faith looks at God with his eyes and calls human eyesight a lie.

I REFUSE TO WALK AS A MERE MAN.(the realm of defeat.)
 
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You have to operate from a position of power

YOU HAVE TO.

EVERY GENERATION has seen attrocities.

Some went shipwrecked...some stood in faith.

We will be counted in faith

We will stand with those patriarchs.

It is hebrews 11

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


Oh yeah...trials come,but the glory of God is in the men of faith.

God is working.
We can submit,be honed into mature soldiers,or turn tail in the fight.

Without faith it I impossible to please God.

Takes on a new meaning,right?
After those things I told you?

We will stand in faith and let this world do whatever it is going to do.
Come whatever...we will look with our eyes of faith
 

true_believer

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This post brings to mind what A.W. Tozer observed about churches without the Holy Spirit.
 

Nehemiah6

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So many Trump believers think they have a Santa Claus in the WH making it all right but they have a demon in the WH. Mark my words: he will call for martial law.
While this is off topic, when you call Donald Trump a demon, you show your true colors. And if the Marxists/Leftists/Fascists/Anarchists want to devastate the cities of America, then martial law may be the only way to deal with these demonic destroyers. Indeed, there should have been a lot stronger and swifter federal response to the anarchy which is at work right now.
 

saintrose

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You need to calm down a bit. So a lot of christian churches in america are frauds that is to be expected in a land that shows off how religious they are. apostasy is satans goal. Hes herding goats not sheep. Sure the goats believe, but they believe in a god of their belly.

Cling to the faith once delivered to the saints. Find fellowship with the sheep and the true shepherd, not the goatherd.

why doesnt God do as He said? You lack patience. He will do it, but in His timing. He also gives people time to repent, and is loving and merciful.
I guess we'll see. Wait until these things are upon us all - we'll see how many still hold to their faith.
 

saintrose

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I know what you say.

You assume I have not been through hell.

My world came to an end in 1999 when my little 14 yr old girl ran away from home to be with satanists.
I was like job
Completely destroyed.

I would go into the woods and cry out to God "Jesus help me,please please help me. Cant you help just a little bit?"
On and on,over and over, day and night.
I had a thread of faith and God. But mostly fear and anger at God.

About 4 or 5 days of crying out to God in faithless fear.

Then one day Jesus showed up. I was in my shop and was walking over to the electric box to turn on the lights,and whispering my cry for help.

God said "STOP IT! DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE!. NOW CRY OUT MY NAME IN FAITH"

I began to immediately do that. "JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! "over and over.

Then it happened.
The power came from heaven.
I was so filled with virtue and power and anointing of the Holy Spirit!!!
I Could barely contain myself.
What an awesome God!

With that impartation came some real steadfastness. I could see in the spirit that if I stand in faith and declare what heaven has I will come through any trial.

No matter what the trial is ....we win.
We DO NOT have victory because things went right.

WE HAVE VICTORY NO MATTER what goes wrong.
No matter what....WE HAVE VICTORY.
BIG GOD....LITTLE DEVIL
BIG GOD....trials come...so what!!!!

The man of faith is not centered on trials or as you put it "bad things happening to others"
You have inadvertantly consigned to see tragedy and demon attacks/evil people as bigger than God.

I say rise up and be counted in the realm of faith.
God is way bigger than ANYTHING that has happened to you or to others that you think God winked at.

I am seasoned and tied in fire.
I am not abstract here say.
I have walked in your shoes.
I know what the realm of faith is. It is the supernatural.
Humans walk with their eyes.
The man of faith looks at God with his eyes and calls human eyesight a lie.

I REFUSE TO WALK AS A MERE MAN.(the realm of defeat.)
I'm glad you were able to do that.
 

saintrose

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While this is off topic, when you call Donald Trump a demon, you show your true colors. And if the Marxists/Leftists/Fascists/Anarchists want to devastate the cities of America, then martial law may be the only way to deal with these demonic destroyers. Indeed, there should have been a lot stronger and swifter federal response to the anarchy which is at work right now.
Dear God you show that you don't know. I got hurt and couldn't move from the bed. I lay in bed FIVE YEARS RESEARCHING and when I was semi-active the other 6 researched. This is what you need to research to learn the truth:

1. The New World Order - they are now calling it The Great Reset
2. Freemason hand signs
3. Donald Trump throwing satanic hand signs (look at images) You have to do in-depth research)
4. Search "Clinton throwing satanic hand signs" and work your way back to Reagan then do other countries - they're all throwing the same hand signs showing their allegiance to satan or the masons
5. Search "actors/ actresses throwing satanic hand signs

I found others online from Australia who introduced me to Walter Veith videos that you might want to start with. There is so much delusion put out that they learned at Tavistock Institute. They use sophisticated mind control tactics that most Christians are unaware of. They also use black majick. The masses are deluded. But there are people who can see through it.

Discernment is badly needed.

And no I am the furthest thing from a leftist. The illuminati own both parties. They own every country.
 

saintrose

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Discernment is badly needed. I was told I have the gift of discernment and I seem to see and feel things before others. You have no idea what's ahead. I studied the New World Order and we're going to be mostly slaves - the ones they allow to live. They've been spraying us with cadmium, barium, mycoplasma since the 80s - they're still spraying - I saw it near us and a relative sent me photos of another state. Don't listen to the phony sites that call people wacko conspiracy theorist - you're dealing with very smart, very malevolent people who put fake websites up to waylay anyone researching. Look up Kristen Megan.

And no I am the furthest thing from a leftist. The illuminati own both parties. They own every country.

With much knowledge comes much sorrow.
 

saintrose

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While this is off topic, when you call Donald Trump a demon, you show your true colors. And if the Marxists/Leftists/Fascists/Anarchists want to devastate the cities of America, then martial law may be the only way to deal with these demonic destroyers. Indeed, there should have been a lot stronger and swifter federal response to the anarchy which is at work right now.
 

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Thanks but the name calling is not helping here. Some call others names simply because they disagree don't like the questions. Praise GOD He always hears. And try to remember what we personally think about that "false/phony" Christian.. and then how we talk about them.. its really Christ we are talking to and about. Did not He say "If you've done it to the least of these my brethren you've done it unto me"?

How are judging them? A judgment based only one what was see hear? Remember "But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

So no matter what it looks like sounds like.. God does not see like us. We can't see the heart so we must take into account not able to seeing the heart.

Hello we live in a fallen world and we judge based on for the most part a moment in time. There is countless things they can be going through.. you your self know about this. So.. show them what it does mean to be a believer a follower of Christ. To treat them how HE treats you. Has He ever called you any name? its His kids not ours.. careful how we treat them/Him
 

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But it was in bad taste. I have counseled many people for all sorts of reasons but I tend not to say you need to do this or you need to do that to avoid making them feel worse than what they are. I always start where they are at and then build on that by building a picture of what is possible, small steps at a time so they can adjust their thinking accordingly.
Did you try and do that with me when you responded to my response????

Nope..

What did you do? You came out swinging with the ""sanctimonious" slander directed at me and now you double down with the the accusation even when i have turned the cheek to your "sanctimonious" slander you slap my other cheek with the accusation that my response was done in ""bad taste"" ..

So why didn't you deal with me the way you are telling me is the right way to deal with others???

Are you a hypocrite.. As well as a false accusing slanderer.. I think so..

Consider yourself blocked..
 

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I guess we'll see. Wait until these things are upon us all - we'll see how many still hold to their faith.
Why should tribulation and suffering on this earth cause one to lose their ( Faith ) trust in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus ?

Unless,, maybe the person in question is under the impression that being a believer in Jesus will see them protected by God from tribulation and suffering on this earth?

And if someone believes that being a Believer in Jesus garentees them protection from suffering in this life then do they believe Jesus when He said::

John 16: KJV
33 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."
 

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That's a good point about Paul telling them to kick them out of the church. I just don't think that only "forgiving" people is the only response. I think there are times when you HAVE to cut certain people off. I did that to a "Christian" who did something extremely evil. I wish I had known that Christians could be every bit as evil as non-Christians. She tried pulling that crap about forgiveness acting like it was MY fault. I cut her off - she's downright EVIL - she hides it well. I feel no guilt as God knows what she did. I wish He would punish her because she is an extremely evil person.
Sounds like a jezebel spirit to me.
 

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Actually the people I'm talking about ARE true believers. I couldn't understand Scripture until I was regenerated and the people I'm speaking of gave every evidence of being a true believer.

Although the verse "many are called but few are chosen" may explain it. I'm not sure.
Well, James said,

Do not speak against one another, brothers and sisters. He who speaks against a fellow believer or judges a fellow believer speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but its judge. But there is only one who is lawgiver and judge - the one who is able to save and destroy. On the other hand, who are you to judge your neighbor? Jas.4:11-12

I do know that we're all in desperate need of God's mercy. Our dear Savior says,

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you, that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? Mt.5:44-46

It would be very difficult to love people who contradicted everything we said, lied about us, spit on us, beat us without mercy and put us to death in an excruciating way, but that's what our dear Jesus did. Lets ask him to help us to be like him and leave the judging to him.
 
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The Pew Research Center shows that those who are proclaiming to be Christians under the age of 45 years of age (Millennials) are leaving the Chuch in droves, study finds. The reason why is because of the support of President Trump (the fear and anger narrative they what them to feel against anyone who doesn't support him is hypocrisy).
 

Lanolin

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many of us have been through tribulations for many years already, and yet still kept faith. That is meant to refine us in the fire
Remember Job?

whar about the saints whove been in concentration camps like Corrie Ten Boom...did the so called christians who rounded them up cause her and her sister to lose faith and the awful conditions, and the rats? you know what Corrie did? she praised the rats!

Has Joni earackson tada, who got paralysed from the neck down, blamed God for not stopping her from having an accident or not restoring her mobility? Maybe she had her raging moments but you know what, shes a brilliant artist and evangelist who reaches out to others cos God gave her something even more precious than the ability to walk. and yes she had other christians peddling faith cures that made her feel diminished when nothing happened.

did I blame God when a ministers daughter fleeced me out of thousands of dollars, claiming we were going on a missionary trip and railroading me into buying an airticket. well I of course I was shocked and dismayed but I learned from that betrayal even as Jesus dealt with Judas in his life. Thankfully she didnt stick around and I didnt either. Or when board members decided they alone owned the church and werent goiing to let anyone mess with their patch because they had. a business on it generating income for them, even when the church building itself was falling apart.

hmm I was like. ok I found out your god is really mammon, and yet you appear to want to worship BOTH mammon and the Lord. Talk about unequally yoked.
 

Lanolin

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you just pray for them anyway but you dont need to fellowship with anyone giving you that much grief. God hasnt given us to bondage as we are set free.

as for Jezebel spirits, they only want passive Ahabs to latch on to and will make a show of being religious to get what they want.