Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?

[garee]

I think you need to read the first chapter of John

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.


We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

I would offer the unseen word of our unseen Father (His word is spirit and life giving. )It was revealed by the flesh of the apostle Jesus . Jesus did not do his own will of the flesh. .Jesus declared his flesh profits for nothing. It did not become flesh in itself . God is not a man.

Flesh comes from the dust and water. . clay.

The faithless Jew turned that upside down. . . earthly inspired by the devil taking away the understanding that did work in the Son of man, Jesus as it does in us to both will and empower us to work with him according to His unseen power of faith . We walk by faith the unseen understanding.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

 

[Dino246]

That's not scriptural. The Holy Spirit distinguished her among women. You put her back into obscurity. Like I said that's abuse of her and Scriptures.

The angel called Mary "most highly favoured" for this one thing: she was chosen to bear the Messiah. That is the extent of her uniqueness, and Scripture in no way supports veneration of Mary beyond that.

 

[Dino246]

I would offer the unseen word of our unseen Father (His word is spirit and life giving. )It was revealed by the flesh of the apostle Jesus . Jesus did not do his own will of the flesh. .Jesus declared his flesh profits for nothing. It did not become flesh in itself . God is not a man.

Flesh comes from the dust and water. . clay.

The faithless Jew turned that upside down. . . earthly inspired by the devil taking away the understanding that did work in the Son of man, Jesus as it does in us to both will and empower us to work with him according to His unseen power of faith . We walk by faith the unseen understanding.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Jesus is God incarnate. The Bible clearly teaches that fact, and no amount of your pseudo-biblical bafflegab is going to change it.

 

[garee]

God didn't intend for our earthly life to end in death.

The flesh is not a symbol of temporal existence.
We were created to be with God in heaven body and all.

Earth is a symbol of temporal reality. Sin is the reason our bodies are temporary and only temporarily...

So then you refuse to serve a God without form? What kind of hope is that?

Yes, Not God's intention . He did not desire we die by experiencing the lordship of a creature seen the temporal. Another teaching authority when they venerated the serpent death began . Our Father removed the legs of the creatures. A sign as a reminder to not go above all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

The worker of lying wonders caused doubt and took advantage or the wondering . In effect saying by putting his words on the lips of a creature (flesh and blood) ."You shall surely not die. . look at me and live. why believe in a God not seen.

The Glory of God departed as the god of this world began his faithless reign as the god of this corrupted creation .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

That was the work of the antichrist Satan .The first abomination of desolation. He used the letter of the law of God "death" to murder mankind. All have sinned and continue to fall short of the glory that departed.

 

[Benadam]

The angel called Mary "most highly favoured" for this one thing: she was chosen to bear the Messiah. That is the extent of her uniqueness, and Scripture in no way supports veneration of Mary beyond that.

Generations will call her Blessed. Elizabeth recognized who she was and didn't think herself worthy of a visit. She said that when filled with the Holy Spirit so it isn't just a euphemism. She really felt that. Mary didn't have to have faith in the a virgin conceiving a child, she produced the foot that crushed the evil one. More than that it was flesh of her flesh. It is through her the world received salvation. That extent you mention extends way beyond what you give credit for. To you she is special because she is chosen but that never made anyone special among the chosen. What makes her special is her unique love for Jesus and the intimate knowledge of Him that only she possesses. She isn't someone to put a limit on uniqueness as you have but someone to discover the uniqueness of. When Jesus said one must be called by the Father to faith in Him that includes her. No earthly source could reveal the virgin birth, only heaven could and it be believed. You are missing out on alot of what only heaven can reveal.

 

[Benadam]

then you refuse to serve a God without form? What kind of hope is that?

I'm willing to serve God as revealed to us, you are the one who refuses to serve God.
You deny that Jesus is God. How can you possibly spread the Word?

 

[Dino246]

Generations will call her Blessed. Elizabeth recognized who she was and didn't think herself worthy of a visit. She said that when filled with the Holy Spirit so it isn't just a euphemism. She really felt that. Mary didn't have to have faith in the a virgin conceiving a child, she produced the foot that crushed the evil one. More than that it was flesh of her flesh. It is through her the world received salvation. That extent you mention extends way beyond what you give credit for. To you she is special because she is chosen but that never made anyone special among the chosen. What makes her special is her unique love for Jesus and the intimate knowledge of Him that only she possesses. She isn't someone to put a limit on uniqueness as you have but someone to discover the uniqueness of. When Jesus said one must be called by the Father to faith in Him that includes her. No earthly source could reveal the virgin birth, only heaven could and it be believed. You are missing out on alot of what only heaven can reveal.

Blather. Elizabeth's response is not normative. When Mary and her sons wanted to interrupt Jesus to speak with Him, His response was to point to His disciples and say, "Behold, My mother and brothers". In other words, she ain't special. Her special role was complete. She is no more worthy of veneration than Moses, Isaiah, Micah, John the baptizer, or Peter. Jesus alone is worthy of all the glory.

 

[garee]

Jesus is God incarnate. The Bible clearly teaches that fact, and no amount of your pseudo-biblical bafflegab is going to change it.

What ever you want to call it. God is not a man. Nothings changes nothing.

God remains as Eternal Spirit without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.

It is Satan that would make Jesus the son of man the apostle into a god. Not His father who gave the Son words to rebuke the lying Spirit. it is written

Mathew 4: 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jesus was not self serving as self edifying .The word the father gave to him made the devil flee. Did you even try to mix faith?

 

[Dino246]

What ever you want to call it. God is not a man. Nothings changes nothing.

God remains as Eternal Spirit without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.

It is Satan that would make Jesus the son of man the apostle into a god. Not His father who gave the Son words to rebuke the lying Spirit. it is written

Mathew 4: 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jesus was not self serving as self edifying .The word the father gave to him made the devil flee. Did you even try to mix faith?

The statement in bold is blatant heresy.

 

[Benadam]

Blather. Elizabeth's response is not normative. When Mary and her sons wanted to interrupt Jesus to speak with Him, His response was to point to His disciples and say, "Behold, My mother and brothers". In other words, she ain't special. Her special role was complete. She is no more worthy of veneration than Moses, Isaiah, Micah, John the baptizer, or Peter. Jesus alone is worthy of all the glory.

If you hear an accusation in that passage I assure you it isn't there. Just a little before that He warned to be careful how we hear.

 

[garee]

I'm willing to serve God as revealed to us, you are the one who refuses to serve God.
You deny that Jesus is God. How can you possibly spread the Word?

Jehovah not seen as our mighty savior is God .he worked in the Son of man the apostle Jesus.

Spread the word that works in the believer to both will and do the good pleasure of God or spread the corrupted flesh which he says profits for nothing.

Will you serve a God who has no form?. Cain did not . There was no God working in his heart. Cain was called a fool.

 

[garee]

The statement in bold is blatant heresy.

You would have to prove that .Nothing proves nothing.

 

[Dino246]

Cain was called a fool.

I'd ask 'Where is that in Scripture?' but every time I do, you ignore the question. I don't think you could answer if you tried.

 

[Benadam]

Jehovah not seen as our mighty savior is God .he worked in the Son of man the apostle Jesus.

Spread the word that works in the believer to both will and do the good pleasure of God or spread the corrupted flesh which he says profits for nothing.

Will you serve a God who has no form?. Cain did not . There was no God working in his heart. Cain was called a fool.

No Form? No one has seen the Father but that doesn't mean without form. Know that your teaching is anti-Christian. Christians believe Jesus is who He said He is. You aren't believing that.

 

[Benadam]

You would have to prove that .Nothing proves nothing.

By what power did the virgin conceive? By that power the Son of Man entered human life .

You said;
It is Satan that would make Jesus the son of man the apostle into a god.

 

[Jackson123]

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I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt. It means what the author intended it to mean. Isn't that a rule for you?

I don't understand your question.

who do you mean by the author? I don't speak greek, so If I want to know greek word, I read from other that know greek. And the author only Translate as is
There are thosand people that know greek and english so to Lie is impossible.

Example there are millions people know Washington DC is in The USA, I am not going Lie and say Washington DC is in england or Taiwan. Too easy to prove I an liar

That what happen to the Greek word of antichrist. This person Translate what It is not Lie

Let me repeat what I say,

Base of literal translation from greek, I believe popes are antichrist.

 

[Jackson123]

Does it conflict with the Gospel in some way? Is there some reason you think that if Jesus' mother is in heaven with Jesus is another Gospel?
That Jesus would accept for Himself the title King but deny His mother the title proper to who she is? I don't see a reason for it to be another Gospel.

My brother,

Let me tell you a story, my mother born before me.

Jesus exist before Mary and Jesus is Mary creator.

So Mary is only jesus's mother oN earth not in heaven.

In heaven, All Christian include Mary is Jesus child, there is no Jesus uncle, Jesus grandma or Jesus mother in heaven.

Javanes tradition, every new year, people bow before their parent, grandparen or uncle etc, bow to they elder.

Jesus is mary's God, I don't think He bow before His child Mary in heaven.
In heaven Mary not Jesus mother anymore, she is one of Jesus child

 

[Jackson123]

Generations will call her Blessed.

Yes generation Will call her blessed, It doesn't say generation Will say her queen of heaven.

Not a verse in the bible ask us to call her queen of heaven.
Queen of heaven is pagan godes.
Room relegion worship queen of heaven. So If you talk to queen of heaven, Lucifer that pretend to be Mary my talk back to you.

My 2 aunts and one uncle was catholic. I heard their fellow catholic conversation, one say, I like to talk to st joshep, he help me a lots, the other say I like to pray to st so and so ( I forget what he said)

Hmmm, do,you believe that saints soul talk to them? I don't, I believe lucifer pretend to be saint so and so talk to them.

I never find a verse in the Bible ask us to pray to saints, or Mary.

 

[oyster67]

Why do people stray from it if it were the original Christian doctrine? How does one know one's Christian walk is true with thousands of Christian sects each purporting to be the truth and damning other sects to hell? Why do we put so much faith in our own opinions and call it God's opinion? Doesn't Christianity claim value to humility? How does thinking our opinion is God's opinion classify as such?

God has sought faithful followers since the very beginning. Blood sacrifices of old pointed to Christ. Abraham was not Catholic.

Hebrews
11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as [in] a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God.

 

[oyster67]

Generations will call her Blessed.

We are all blessed who trust in the name of the Lord. We are all Chosen members of a very special priesthood. All glory, honour, and praise be to God and Him alone.