Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

[John146]

Good points. But remember, in the golden chain, predestination is before calling and justification.

Yep, so is salvation through believing. One must be in Christ in order to be called and justified.

 

[throughfaith]

It was predestined all the same

It is in him that makes this predestination a reality

No its ' in him ' only that we are predestined to the Adoption/ to be conformed.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8.23 .

Eph 1.5
5Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

eph 1.11
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Eph 1 .13-14
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the EARNEST of our INHERITANCE UNTIL the REDEMPTION OF the PURCHASED POSSESSION, unto the praise of his glory.

 

[John146]

What? I am only talking about Gods foreknowledge.. Not the Law..

Paul was telling those Galatian believers that now that God knows you as a son, why are you going back under the bondage of the law?

God now knows them.

 

[John146]

No its ' in him ' only that we are predestined to the Adoption/ to be conformed.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8.23 .

Eph 1.5
5Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

eph 1.11
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Eph 1 .13-14
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the EARNEST of our INHERITANCE UNTIL the REDEMPTION OF the PURCHASED POSSESSION, unto the praise of his glory.

Yes, allowing the Scripture to define itself is a beautiful thing.

 

[throughfaith]

No it begins at the moment of faith

He who began a good work will
Complete it

It is completed at glorification

That's calvinst thinking again / Arminian. ' perseverance of the saints '

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gentiles believers are also Elect and Chosen.

Amen EPH 1

There are different types of elections

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For what ?

To be conformed to his image and given every spiritual blessing

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If God knows every person before they are born, then according to Romans 8:29 every person will be conformed to the image of his Son. This foreknowledge in Romans is the knowledge of those who have received Jesus and has given the power to become sons of God. This occurs upon receiving Jesus Christ. See Galatians 4.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

After ye are known of God, why are you turning back and placing yourselves under the law?

This is not true

Unless “who” means everyone it does not mean that in context or in scripture

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good points. But remember, in the golden chain, predestination is before calling and justification.

We also have to define who “who” is

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's where we disagree. I believe that's calvinistic thinking and not biblical.

I think it would be better if we would Stop thinking if Calvin and try to listen what we are saying. It’s not a Calvinist view it’s a biblical view

It is the interpretation of what or how one is predestined that is in question

 

[throughfaith]

To be conformed to his image and given every spiritual blessing

Conformed to his image = glorification. Its not a instalment programme.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I said calvinst thinking. Arminianism is Calvinstic thinking. There aren't many denominations that aren't affected by calvinistic thinking.

Where do you get this stuff?

Your war against Calvin seems to have clouded your thinking

 

[throughfaith]

I think it would be better if we would Stop thinking if Calvin and try to listen what we are saying. It’s not a Calvinist view it’s a biblical view

It is the interpretation of what or how one is predestined that is in question

Rom 8 .23 when is the adoption, future or at conversion . Now a calvinist has to say both .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No its ' in him ' only that we are predestined to the Adoption/ to be conformed.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8.23 .

Eph 1.5
5Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

eph 1.11
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Eph 1 .13-14
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the EARNEST of our INHERITANCE UNTIL the REDEMPTION OF the PURCHASED POSSESSION, unto the praise of his glory.

We were still predestined

God did not come to a point where he said yeah. I found another son. Where he had no previous knowledge

Why do people want to humanize God and take away his omniscience

 

[throughfaith]

Where do you get this stuff?

Your war against Calvin seems to have clouded your thinking

Nope calvinism has permeated into most people's thinking. Its hard not to get influenced by it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, allowing the Scripture to define itself is a beautiful thing.

Yes it is. Sadly some think they do this and don’t

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's calvinst thinking again / Arminian. ' perseverance of the saints '

It’s not Calvinist thinking please stop

He who BEGAN a good work will complete it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Conformed to his image = glorification. Its not a instalment programme.

I never said it was do not put words in my mouth

He who began a good work will
Complete it

God starts his work in us the moment we are adopted. When he perfected forever those of us who are being sanctified

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rom 8 .23 when is the adoption, future or at conversion . Now a calvinist has to say both .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Dude I am not going to get into an anti Calvinist rant here it is obvious from the first time you got here your war against them

If you want to discuss the word let’s discuss it. But I will not join you in your war

 

[throughfaith]

I never said it was do not put words in my mouth

He who began a good work will
Complete it

God starts his work in us the moment we are adopted. When he perfected forever those of us who are being sanctified

But we are not Adopted at conversion.
Read rom 8.23 .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING for the ADOPTION, to wit, the REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY .