Are the words of Jesus not for Christians?

[Absolutely]

Do you really know what this means without Paul's writings? God gave His Son...for what purpose? Believes in Him...believes in Him for what? No mention of death, burial and resurrection...no mention of sin. That's pretty important to me. Christ died for my sin, was buried and on the third day rose again. That's what I believed unto my salvation. You?

I already showed you that Jesus preached death burial,resurrection,born again,and no other way to the father.
Already showed you that.
Further...Paul got saved with zero knowledge of dbr.
As did I and millions others who learned doctrine AFTER salvation.
Dbr understanding is not.. NOT ... REQUIRED for salvation

Psssst ...see the jailer story after the jailbreak.

 

[Forcemyhand]

So you agree with what I was saying in that post, that statement by Jesus was not directed to the rest of us.

The way you reply makes it seem you were disagreeing

You continually say things then tell me what I agree with then alter what you say.


Everything written is for our understanding. Even when He is talking to the Samaritian woman, we can glean from that.

 

[Marcelo]

and no one has said we obey every word

no one

Funny thing is that many Bible interpreters say there is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul, but they don't obey a number of teachings the Lord gave to the Jews. They don't keep the Sabbath, they don't give away all their possessions, they don't sacrifice animals (Jesus told the man heald of leprosy to do animal sacrifice), they don't obey any scribe or Pharisee, etc.

Theologians write thousands of books saying Jesus and Paul preached the exact same thing, but they don't write a single line to justify why they actually follow Paul and not Jesus in some points of doctrine.

 

[John146]

I already showed you that Jesus preached death burial,resurrection,born again,and no other way to the father.
Already showed you that.
Further...Paul got saved with zero knowledge of dbr.
As did I and millions others who learned doctrine AFTER salvation.
Dbr understanding is not.. NOT ... REQUIRED for salvation

Psssst ...see the jailer story after the jailbreak.

Lol, the gospel message is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. That’s the message one must believed to be saved.

 

[Forcemyhand]

Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”

Luke 4:43, "And He said to them, “To the other cities I also have to bring the Good News: the reign of Yah, because for this I have been sent.”

Luke 8:1, "And it came to be, afterward, that He went through every city and village, proclaiming and bringing the Good News of the reign of Yah, and the twelve were with Him,"

Matthew 28:19-20, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

 

[Forcemyhand]

Funny thing is that many Bible interpreters say there is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul, but they don't obey a number of teachings the Lord gave to the Jews. They don't keep the Sabbath, they don't give away all their possessions, they don't sacrifice animals (Jesus told the man heald of leprosy to do animal sacrifice), they don't obey any scribe or Pharisee, etc.

Theologians write thousands of books saying Jesus and Paul preached the exact same thing, but they don't write a single line to justify why they actually follow Paul and not Jesus in some points of doctrine.

SO do you choose the Messiah or Paul if you feel this way? Certianly if you think they teach different do you have one you prefer?

These are some verses why I think the Messiah is the One shepherd.

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 - poimén)."

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”

John 5:39-40, “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”
John/Yahanan 7:16-17, “Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority.”

 

[Marcelo]

SO do you choose the Messiah or Paul if you feel this way? Certianly if you think they teach different do you have one you prefer?

Up until five years ago I had the same opinion as you, but I came across several videos and saw that the Gospels were primarily written to the Jews. Christians are not supposed to prefer one messenger of God over another, but we are supposed to make sure if certain teachings are still in effect. For example:

LOVE ONE ANOTHER. This teaching was given to the Jews by Jesus (while he was on earth) and is not contradicted by any other New Testament book, so it is still in effect.

KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. This teaching was given by Jesus (on Earth), but is contradicted by Paul. We must know that salvation by grace began only after the cross and this is the reason why Jesus told the Jews to keep the commandments (the people of God was still under the law of Moses). Jesus in person gave one teaching before the cross, but he gave another (through Paul) after the cross. So, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS is no longer in effect. Of course we don't steal, don't commit adultery, etc, because these teaching are found in other New Testament books.

There are many debates about Jesus vs. Paul in YouTube. These Video titles are totally wrong: they should be called Jesus before the cross vs. Jesus after the cross.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

well apparently they were similar to believers today

just having a hard time letting go of their sin and sinful habits

listen Johnny, get off your merry go round. it's making you dizzy

Good luck. They are both in the same boat

James is a love letter to his brothers. Probably the first book written

And peter is talking to jews

They us this to try to say there is a different gospel for them than for us

He has been shown how wrong. But they will not listen. Best just walk away

 

[John146]

Good luck. They are both in the same boat

James is a love letter to his brothers. Probably the first book written

And peter is talking to jews

They us this to try to say there is a different gospel for them than for us

He has been shown how wrong. But they will not listen. Best just walk away

Great love letter! Ye adulterers and adulteresses...

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

 

[John146]

I already showed you that Jesus preached death burial,resurrection,born again,and no other way to the father.
Already showed you that.
Further...Paul got saved with zero knowledge of dbr.
As did I and millions others who learned doctrine AFTER salvation.
Dbr understanding is not.. NOT ... REQUIRED for salvation

Psssst ...see the jailer story after the jailbreak.

He prophesied a couple of times to his disciples, yet none of his disciples understood anything what he was saying because the truth was hid from them. Neither Jesus nor his disciples went about preaching the gospel that Paul preached, how Christ died for our sin, was buried and rose again the third day. No one can be eternally saved other than through that message.

 

[Guojing]

Funny thing is that many Bible interpreters say there is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul, but they don't obey a number of teachings the Lord gave to the Jews. They don't keep the Sabbath, they don't give away all their possessions, they don't sacrifice animals (Jesus told the man heald of leprosy to do animal sacrifice), they don't obey any scribe or Pharisee, etc.

Theologians write thousands of books saying Jesus and Paul preached the exact same thing, but they don't write a single line to justify why they actually follow Paul and not Jesus in some points of doctrine.

Well, he already conceded that he does not obey Mat 19:27-29 since he is absolutely sure Jesus's words there do not apply to him.

https://christianchat.com/threads/are-the-words-of-jesus-not-for-christians.194927/post-4379767

 

[lenna]

According to what you are saying above, Bethel did believe in Jesus in John 11:25 right? What happened after that?

I have no idea what you are going on about

 

[lenna]

They do not realize how dangerous their beliefs are

dismissing the words of Jesus is approaching heresy IMO and maybe already is

 

[lenna]

Good luck. They are both in the same boat

James is a love letter to his brothers. Probably the first book written

And peter is talking to jews

They us this to try to say there is a different gospel for them than for us

He has been shown how wrong. But they will not listen. Best just walk away

well there are actually two gospels

the one they have made up and the one that is actually found in scripture

 

[eternally-gratefull]

dismissing the words of Jesus is approaching heresy IMO and maybe already is

It will certainly lead many astray During the tribulation

 

[lenna]

Funny thing is that many Bible interpreters say there is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul, but they don't obey a number of teachings the Lord gave to the Jews. They don't keep the Sabbath, they don't give away all their possessions, they don't sacrifice animals (Jesus told the man heald of leprosy to do animal sacrifice), they don't obey any scribe or Pharisee, etc.

Theologians write thousands of books saying Jesus and Paul preached the exact same thing, but they don't write a single line to justify why they actually follow Paul and not Jesus in some points of doctrine.

no idea what you are on about

do you believe Jesus is the way, the truth and the life?

yes or no. He said that in the gospels and either He is still the way, the truth and the life or He was only those things 2000 years ago and if only 2000 years ago, than woe is me and everyone else who believes He is the risen son of God

 

[lenna]

KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. This teaching was given by Jesus (on Earth), but is contradicted by Paul.

actually, Jesus gave two commandments that superceded the 10 commandments, actually summed them up

you seem to follow teachers who lack comprehension probably because they have no understanding of the gospels. they find Jesus teachings too hard so they say they are not for today

they make a wall between salvation and obedience when there is none

the problem is understanding. they have none because they have rejected the truth

Paul contradicts nothing. human lack of spiritual understanding will void most of the Bible

There are many debates about Jesus vs. Paul in YouTube. These Video titles are totally wrong: they should be called Jesus before the cross vs. Jesus after the cross.

and people whose faith is not built upon the solid rock should not watch them as they are gullible and susceptible to the lies from people who have vain imaginations and follow after the teachings of demons as Paul noted

Paul said there were demons who teach false doctrines...they do it through people...that is in the Bible

 

[Guojing]

I have no idea what you are going on about

U never heard of #wake up olive?

 

[soggykitten]

Lol, the gospel message is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. That’s the message one must believed to be saved.

I think the Gospel in full pertains to Salvation. The resurrection of our Lord is the evidence of its valuable eternal truth. That death was defeated, which let Satan's power through death due to our sin, be defeated.

 

[soggykitten]

well there are actually two gospels

the one they have made up and the one that is actually found in scripture

Please detain the gospel "they have made up". Thank you in advance.