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I don’t believe in irresistable grace. You do not need irresistable grace for God to predestinate before a person is born. You don’t even need unconditional election to have it. You don’t need tulip at all to believe in predestination before birth...all you need is foreknowledge, as I have already said.
Did God choose those who will believe over those who will not believe?
In John 17, did Jesus pray for the world or did He pray only for those who had believed AND also those also who would believe in the future,
Did He exclude those who would never believe? Ie the world.
Did He not make a distinction between the two, even a distinction between those who had either/would one day and those who would never believe?
Does this indicate that in God’s mind, the two groups weee already KNOWN, even the ones not yet born?
In John 17, did Jesus pray for the world or did He pray only for those who had believed AND also those also who would believe in the future,
Did He exclude those who would never believe? Ie the world.
Did He not make a distinction between the two, even a distinction between those who had either/would one day and those who would never believe?
Does this indicate that in God’s mind, the two groups weee already KNOWN, even the ones not yet born?
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Jesus’ priestly prayer in John 17 included all who would ever believe and excluded all who would never believe. Because both groups were fully known to God, even those who were not yet born.
John 17 lays out God’s predetermined/predestined plan for His people.
They may be one as we are one
They may behold my Glory
That the Glory you have given me, I may give it to them
That they may be with me where I am
Etc
Oh the depths of the riches of the Grace of God!!
John 17 lays out God’s predetermined/predestined plan for His people.
They may be one as we are one
They may behold my Glory
That the Glory you have given me, I may give it to them
That they may be with me where I am
Etc
Oh the depths of the riches of the Grace of God!!
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He did for Paul. Indisputably. There is no way anyone will ever be able to argue that Paul was a believer before he was for lack of a better term commandeered into Gods service.
Paul never knew Jesus. But Jesus certainly knew Paul from before the foundation of the world. In the vision, Jesus had to announce his Identity to Paul!
Gal 1:15
But when he who had (1) set me apart before I was born, and (2) who called me by his grace,
The setting apart before he was born comes before his calling does it not?
This of course matches John 15:16 perfectly does it not?
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
Evidently Christ has everything to do with the fruit bearing too does He not?
Heb 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Jesus is both the Source and the One who maintains her faith is He not?
Paul never knew Jesus. But Jesus certainly knew Paul from before the foundation of the world. In the vision, Jesus had to announce his Identity to Paul!
Gal 1:15
But when he who had (1) set me apart before I was born, and (2) who called me by his grace,
The setting apart before he was born comes before his calling does it not?
This of course matches John 15:16 perfectly does it not?
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
Evidently Christ has everything to do with the fruit bearing too does He not?
Heb 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Jesus is both the Source and the One who maintains her faith is He not?
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Oh, I think that would depend upon which party is more determined would it not?
Which party was truly Sovereign, which party had the greater force of Will would it not?
Does not Paul himself touch on this matter of will and resisting His will?
(Rom 9:18-19)
Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?"
Who has resisted His will? Exactly nobody that's who.
Which party was truly Sovereign, which party had the greater force of Will would it not?
Does not Paul himself touch on this matter of will and resisting His will?
(Rom 9:18-19)
Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?"
Who has resisted His will? Exactly nobody that's who.
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A few lines of scripture? Certainly not.
One can easily count dozens of scriptures individually, so let's be honest about that please.
However, truth be told, the doctrine of election is not construed merely in a coherent cohesive aggregate of individual scriptures, it is the intentional unveiling of a mystery that was hitherto not known in its fullness (revealed by Paul to whom this task was appointed), explained in exhaustive detail and backed up with several lines of reasoning and several modes of argumentation, taking up even large sections of entire chapters of the Bible!
Far from being a trivial artifact of misconstrued text, the doctrine of election is one of the foundational teachings and all of the Bible.
One can easily count dozens of scriptures individually, so let's be honest about that please.
However, truth be told, the doctrine of election is not construed merely in a coherent cohesive aggregate of individual scriptures, it is the intentional unveiling of a mystery that was hitherto not known in its fullness (revealed by Paul to whom this task was appointed), explained in exhaustive detail and backed up with several lines of reasoning and several modes of argumentation, taking up even large sections of entire chapters of the Bible!
Far from being a trivial artifact of misconstrued text, the doctrine of election is one of the foundational teachings and all of the Bible.
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I move a lot and have often had to find a church in a new community. One thing I noticed is that a lot of churches that would have been teaching solid Bible 50-60 years ago sound more like self help seminars, and Doctrine is no longer taught at all in a lot of churches.
Expository preaching (which I love)? Forget it. You would lose half your congregation or worse if you dated in some places.
Expository preaching (which I love)? Forget it. You would lose half your congregation or worse if you dated in some places.
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I had a profound thought entered my head, that had a lot to do with Pastors Sermon this morning. We know that God said we are to be Thankful for everything. Most of us will offer up a Prayer for thanksgiving for the food we eat. BUT how many offer up a prayer for the Clean Water we drink ? ? ? So does HE have to take it away, before we are thankful ? ? ?
Philippians 4:6 (NKJV)
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
Colossians 3:15 (NJB)
15 And may the peace of Christ reign in your hearts, because it is for this that you were called together in one body. Always be thankful.
Colossians 3:17 (HCSB)
17 And whatever you do, in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
Colossians 2:6-7 (ASV)
6 As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him,
7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
1 Timothy 4:4-5 (HCSB)
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing should be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 since it is sanctified by the word of God and by prayer.
Is not CLEAN WATER, something to be THANKFUL for ? ? ?
Something else our Pastor mention this morning:
Grumbling is a sign of LACK OF FAITH!
Think about it.
Jude 1:16 (HCSB)
16 These people are discontented grumblers, walking according to their desires; their mouths utter arrogant words, flattering people for their own advantage.
Philippians 4:6 (NKJV)
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;
Colossians 3:15 (NJB)
15 And may the peace of Christ reign in your hearts, because it is for this that you were called together in one body. Always be thankful.
Colossians 3:17 (HCSB)
17 And whatever you do, in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
Colossians 2:6-7 (ASV)
6 As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him,
7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
1 Timothy 4:4-5 (HCSB)
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing should be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 since it is sanctified by the word of God and by prayer.
Is not CLEAN WATER, something to be THANKFUL for ? ? ?
Something else our Pastor mention this morning:
Grumbling is a sign of LACK OF FAITH!
Think about it.
Jude 1:16 (HCSB)
16 These people are discontented grumblers, walking according to their desires; their mouths utter arrogant words, flattering people for their own advantage.
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Hello VCO, I think in some situations grumbling can be a sign of lack of faith. Other times I believe it is due to impatience and not getting one's own way. We are to be about the Lord's way and not our own way.
If you think about the Lord's commands, things he would have us do, much of these are things that are of peace. Things like loving one another, trusting in the Lord, giving thanks, not holding grudges but forgiving one another etc. I see in such instructions help for peace in one's own heart as well as promoting peace with others.
If you think about the Lord's commands, things he would have us do, much of these are things that are of peace. Things like loving one another, trusting in the Lord, giving thanks, not holding grudges but forgiving one another etc. I see in such instructions help for peace in one's own heart as well as promoting peace with others.
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Not by 'works' of eating bread all alone. By 'works' of eating bread together having been regenerated by the new commandment given as the White Stone, Linen Garment, New Wineskin 'bottle' , perfected righteousness of Light Being Stuff causing Life before anything written and before the foundation of the world, where Both are Preserved in the New Wineskin, Working of Action Verbing Faith'ing Together following He Himself of Luke 24 and of wearing He Himself of Luke 24. Romans 13:14. As in putting on and wearing righteousness perfected as the free gift of salvation of the Ten Virgin Virtue Commandment where the Oil is pouring out causing the beating of the Heart as in the Arc and Covenant Heart Construct within and of He the Tabernacle whom is Made Without Hands knit together in His Mother's womb and are all begotten of He Himself. He Became Flesh, that Word of the Testimony of LIFE to choose, Deu 30:19, and He Lives and is of the SAME Testimony called 'law' of Father's Testimony of Death 'works' vs. Life 'works'. FAith'ing Pistus Action Verbing Together with He who was crucified. James/Yakov 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith (works together), and I have works (all alone): shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. The difference of works eating bread all alone, vs. eating bread together Living by the Regeneration of Holy Spirit Virgin Virtue wearing by 'works' together action verbing "Pistus" of receiving the Power to arise UP and to abide in He the vine.
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