Today’s church’s misunderstandings
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Not that I am aware of bearing in mind that they were all Jews; they did not stop being Jews when they embraced Jesus as the Messiah; besides meeting each day for the four pillars of the church they met in the temple as well; they still functioned as Jews as well as believers of The Way; as Jews, they worked on Sunday; as Jews they rested Friday evening to Saturday evening; meeting on a Sunday morning was not possible because they were at work.
In the light of all this evidence I would say no, that was not the day they met.
In the light of all this evidence I would say no, that was not the day they met.
Then we are interpreting the message from the Lord very differently.
The sacrifice of animals was symbolic of the blood of Christ. If you study Leviticus as it tells about how this is to be done, it is for the forgiveness of sin that the sacrifice is made. They could not know about Christ as we know Him, but they could know that it required blood for salvation. Sin kills, God gave Christ for our salvation. They only had the symbol of Christ, but there is no forgiveness or life without Christ. Christ fulfilled this system and made it perfect. Read Matt. 27:62-63 to see how Christ perfected it.
Then that system worked just like it works for us, they were to give up their sins, the sins were gone, forgiven. We are told to now live with Christ in our hearts, to obey Him through our hearts. We have the new covenant that puts the knowledge of sin in our hearts. They were told verbally about the sin to give up. When scripture tells us about what Christ does for us, there is usually an instruction to repent.
The sacrifice of animals was symbolic of the blood of Christ. If you study Leviticus as it tells about how this is to be done, it is for the forgiveness of sin that the sacrifice is made. They could not know about Christ as we know Him, but they could know that it required blood for salvation. Sin kills, God gave Christ for our salvation. They only had the symbol of Christ, but there is no forgiveness or life without Christ. Christ fulfilled this system and made it perfect. Read Matt. 27:62-63 to see how Christ perfected it.
Then that system worked just like it works for us, they were to give up their sins, the sins were gone, forgiven. We are told to now live with Christ in our hearts, to obey Him through our hearts. We have the new covenant that puts the knowledge of sin in our hearts. They were told verbally about the sin to give up. When scripture tells us about what Christ does for us, there is usually an instruction to repent.
Thank you for your reply 
and while I do commemorate the death and resurrection of Christ I don't see Sunday worship as a prerequisite of that.
and while I do commemorate the death and resurrection of Christ I don't see Sunday worship as a prerequisite of that.
If they would think it through, if they truly wanted to follow the Lord making what the Lord tells us the most important thing in their life, there is scripture telling us the seventh day was made into the Sabbath when the world was created. Those who acknowledge that are putting the Lord's word before any other word, and not giving Mary power to change scripture for she was a human. God is God.
I am aware that talking about shadows is forbidden according to a law of the fathers. But born again Christian are required to obey the loving commandment (not just a good suggestion ) to study rightly diving His word of truth, not that of the fathers we seek the approval of Him not seen . No man could serve two teaching Masters .The things of men the temporal seen and those of eternal God not seen.
The weekend fast is a ceremonial law as a shadow. God does not use parables to reason by when it comes to moral laws.
Hebrews 10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. ...
Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
.Why puff you fleshly mind rather than acknowlging the shadow. What's the hope in worshiping shadows?
The weekend fast is a ceremonial law as a shadow. God does not use parables to reason by when it comes to moral laws.
Hebrews 10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. ...
Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
.Why puff you fleshly mind rather than acknowlging the shadow. What's the hope in worshiping shadows?
Thank you for your reply and while I do commemorate the death and resurrection of Christ I don't see Sunday worship as a prerequisite of that.
and while I do commemorate the death and resurrection of Christ I don't see Sunday worship as a prerequisite of that.
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Thanks for the reply. Today I see that a little differently.
I would offer. Day seven and day one. The last and the first. Two days of rest
The last according to the reasoning found in Exodus 20 rendering of the ten commandments and the first according to the Deuteronomy parable. The new calendar . The new beginning two days of rest. One a rest in preparing, knowing it is God working with us to both will informing us and empowering us do His good pleasure . and the first or next day eating of the work of God sharing the good news with those less fortunate .The kind of food the disciples at first knew not of..
Two days of holy convocations working together as if it was all one. The just and justifier .
Exodus12:16-17 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them (2) , save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
Apparently one person refused to hear God and gathered sticks on the day when the fast was to be shared to represent the gospel He as it would seem gathered stick to cook the manna a day late.
Numbers 15:32-34 King James Version (KJV) And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
I would offer. Day seven and day one. The last and the first. Two days of rest
The last according to the reasoning found in Exodus 20 rendering of the ten commandments and the first according to the Deuteronomy parable. The new calendar . The new beginning two days of rest. One a rest in preparing, knowing it is God working with us to both will informing us and empowering us do His good pleasure . and the first or next day eating of the work of God sharing the good news with those less fortunate .The kind of food the disciples at first knew not of..
Two days of holy convocations working together as if it was all one. The just and justifier .
Exodus12:16-17 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them (2) , save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
Apparently one person refused to hear God and gathered sticks on the day when the fast was to be shared to represent the gospel He as it would seem gathered stick to cook the manna a day late.
Numbers 15:32-34 King James Version (KJV) And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
I think it is wrong to condemn people for doing what they believe is right in the Lord as pertains to taking a day of rest that was created by him for us.
I don't know how people become upset over sabbath keepers and they themselves attend church on Sunday. Both are honoring God and worshiping as they believe is right. There can be no reasonable contention against either practice as I see it. But sure enough people will claim I'm wrong.
Romans 14:5-6 "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord."
Hebrews 4:9-11: " There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest , so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience."
I don't know how people become upset over sabbath keepers and they themselves attend church on Sunday. Both are honoring God and worshiping as they believe is right. There can be no reasonable contention against either practice as I see it. But sure enough people will claim I'm wrong.
Romans 14:5-6 "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord."
Hebrews 4:9-11: " There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest , so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience."
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No Christian worships a dead Christ.
Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. He did not resurrect on Sunday.
Leviticus 23:5-6 The LORD's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD's Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.
Passover is the preparation day for the High Sabbath. High Sabbath occurs on the first day of the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on the cross on Passover. His body was taken down before sunset. The hour that begins high sabbath and that first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
High Sabbath is not the same as the weekly Sabbath that occurs from sunset Friday unto sunset Saturday.
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the Preparation, that the bodies should not remain on the cross upon the sabbath (for the day of that sabbath was a high day), asked of Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new tomb wherein was never man yet laid. 42 There then because of the Jews’ Preparation (for the tomb was nigh at hand) they laid Jesus.
Because preparations were to begin for High Sabbath and the Feast, no work was to be done per the law regarding Sabbath. That's why the women wrapped Jesus in linen and left his body laying in the tomb and without the usual burial ceremony that would have ensued had this not been so close to High Sabbath. Mark 15
Luke 23:50 And behold, a man named Joseph, who was a councillor, a good and righteous man 51 (he had not consented to their counsel and deed), a man of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews, who was looking for the kingdom of God: 52 this man went to Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid him in a tomb that was hewn in stone, where never man had yet lain. 54 And it was the day of the Preparation, and the sabbath [k]drew on. 55 And the women, who had come with him out of Galilee, followed after, and beheld the tomb, and how his body was laid. 56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments.
And on the sabbath they rested according to the commandment.
Footnote: K) Greek began to dawn.
Mark 16:1 And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.
Nisan is the first month according to the Jewish calendar and coincides with March & April on their civil calendar.
Jesus crucifixion chronology started on a Tuesday night. Passover meal, Nissan 15, Mark14:1 Now after two days was the feast of the passover and the unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him with subtlety, and kill him: 2 for they said, Not during the feast, lest haply there shall be a tumult of the people.
Mark 14:14.and wheresoever he shall enter in, say to the master of the house, The Teacher saith, Where is my guest-chamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15 And he will himself show you a large upper room furnished and ready: and there make ready for us. 16 And the disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. prayer in Gethsemane, and then his arrest.
A day according to the Hebrews calendar begins at sunset. "Night precedes light" as in the creation, hence, creation calendar, per Genesis 1.
Tuesday night, Passover meal, Jesus goes to the garden of Gethsemane to pray and is there arrested.
Wednesday morning, Jesus faces pilate and is then on the cross in the morning. Is dead by mid afternoon. Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the [q]land until the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, [r]Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, [s]why hast thou forsaken me? 47 And some of them that stood there, when they heard it, said, This man calleth Elijah. 48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 And the rest said, Let be; let us see whether Elijah cometh to save him.[t] 50 And Jesus cried again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit.
Wednesday night first night, Jesus was in the tomb wrapped in linen. The High Sabbath begins. (see prior verses posted)Night precedes light (Genesis 1)
Thursday is the first day of High Sabbath. At the end of High Sabbath Jesus is in the tomb that night, Thursday. And that is the second night in the tomb.
Friday day, Jesus second day in the tomb, the women bring the spices and oils to prepare Jesus' body.
Friday night is the third night of Jesus being in the tomb and the regular weekly sabbath begins.
Regular weekly Sabbath occurs from sunset Friday unto sunset Saturday. During the day Saturday, that is the third day of Jesus being in the tomb. At sunset Saturday the weekly Sabbath concludes, Jesus is not in the tomb.
Three days and three nights as Jesus prophesied of himself in Matthew 12:40for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the [r]whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
In order to fulfill that promise Jesus had to resurrect before sunset, the end of Saturday.
Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. He did not resurrect on Sunday.
Leviticus 23:5-6 The LORD's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD's Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.
Passover is the preparation day for the High Sabbath. High Sabbath occurs on the first day of the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on the cross on Passover. His body was taken down before sunset. The hour that begins high sabbath and that first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
High Sabbath is not the same as the weekly Sabbath that occurs from sunset Friday unto sunset Saturday.
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the Preparation, that the bodies should not remain on the cross upon the sabbath (for the day of that sabbath was a high day), asked of Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
John 19:41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new tomb wherein was never man yet laid. 42 There then because of the Jews’ Preparation (for the tomb was nigh at hand) they laid Jesus.
Because preparations were to begin for High Sabbath and the Feast, no work was to be done per the law regarding Sabbath. That's why the women wrapped Jesus in linen and left his body laying in the tomb and without the usual burial ceremony that would have ensued had this not been so close to High Sabbath. Mark 15
Luke 23:50 And behold, a man named Joseph, who was a councillor, a good and righteous man 51 (he had not consented to their counsel and deed), a man of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews, who was looking for the kingdom of God: 52 this man went to Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid him in a tomb that was hewn in stone, where never man had yet lain. 54 And it was the day of the Preparation, and the sabbath [k]drew on. 55 And the women, who had come with him out of Galilee, followed after, and beheld the tomb, and how his body was laid. 56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments.
And on the sabbath they rested according to the commandment.
Footnote: K) Greek began to dawn.
Mark 16:1 And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.
Nisan is the first month according to the Jewish calendar and coincides with March & April on their civil calendar.
Jesus crucifixion chronology started on a Tuesday night. Passover meal, Nissan 15, Mark14:1 Now after two days was the feast of the passover and the unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him with subtlety, and kill him: 2 for they said, Not during the feast, lest haply there shall be a tumult of the people.
Mark 14:14.and wheresoever he shall enter in, say to the master of the house, The Teacher saith, Where is my guest-chamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15 And he will himself show you a large upper room furnished and ready: and there make ready for us. 16 And the disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. prayer in Gethsemane, and then his arrest.
A day according to the Hebrews calendar begins at sunset. "Night precedes light" as in the creation, hence, creation calendar, per Genesis 1.
Tuesday night, Passover meal, Jesus goes to the garden of Gethsemane to pray and is there arrested.
Wednesday morning, Jesus faces pilate and is then on the cross in the morning. Is dead by mid afternoon. Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the [q]land until the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, [r]Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, [s]why hast thou forsaken me? 47 And some of them that stood there, when they heard it, said, This man calleth Elijah. 48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 And the rest said, Let be; let us see whether Elijah cometh to save him.[t] 50 And Jesus cried again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit.
Wednesday night first night, Jesus was in the tomb wrapped in linen. The High Sabbath begins. (see prior verses posted)Night precedes light (Genesis 1)
Thursday is the first day of High Sabbath. At the end of High Sabbath Jesus is in the tomb that night, Thursday. And that is the second night in the tomb.
Friday day, Jesus second day in the tomb, the women bring the spices and oils to prepare Jesus' body.
Friday night is the third night of Jesus being in the tomb and the regular weekly sabbath begins.
Regular weekly Sabbath occurs from sunset Friday unto sunset Saturday. During the day Saturday, that is the third day of Jesus being in the tomb. At sunset Saturday the weekly Sabbath concludes, Jesus is not in the tomb.
Three days and three nights as Jesus prophesied of himself in Matthew 12:40for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the [r]whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
In order to fulfill that promise Jesus had to resurrect before sunset, the end of Saturday.
Blik, this is a perfect example of your misrepresentation of the words of others.
eternally-gratefull's exact words were "The sabbath according to law was never given to the church however."
NOTHING in that statement implies that "Scripture is not for the church". If I give you a copy of the Canadian Criminal Law Code, does that mean you are now required to abide by it? No! The same goes for the OT law with the Church. The Law is part of Scripture, but it is not given to the Church "as a legal code by which the church must abide".
eternally-gratefull's exact words were "The sabbath according to law was never given to the church however."
NOTHING in that statement implies that "Scripture is not for the church". If I give you a copy of the Canadian Criminal Law Code, does that mean you are now required to abide by it? No! The same goes for the OT law with the Church. The Law is part of Scripture, but it is not given to the Church "as a legal code by which the church must abide".
If the "law is part of scripture, but it is not given to the Church as legal code by which the church must abide" what in you opinion is something of scripture that we are to abide to?
According to history (that is something that shows us how God works in the world) every time a society turned to the Lord, there was a change in their behavior. They listened to God's law.
According to history (that is something that shows us how God works in the world) every time a society turned to the Lord, there was a change in their behavior. They listened to God's law.