No 'But '

[eternally-gratefull]

It is deliberately made very easy for us non-Jews, unlike the Jews during the 4 Gospels, because God wanted to provoke Israel to jealousy for rejecting him for the final time after they stoned Stephen, as Romans 11:11 states

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

The gospel is the same for all people
and it’s not easy, if it was easy, it would not be such a small gate that few enter

 

[Guojing]

The gospel is the same for all people
and it’s not easy, if it was easy, it would not be such a small gate that few enter

It was easy for us because we live after the cross, and after Israel rejected their Messiah for the final time, as I stated.

You always claim yourself as a dispensationist but you don't seem to recognize the difference between pre-cross, when Jesus said those words, and post -cross.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

To repent does not mean to feel sorry for your sins,

being sorry, saying sorry, admitting you are wrong, is not repenting. it is the result of repenting at the most,

so yes you are adding to the word and interpretation, whether You believe it or not is not my problem. The false theology you are presenting is dangerous, because you are adding to the meaning of a word

no one will come to faith apart from repentance, not sure why you posted 2 peter 3: 9. I have never stated repentance is not necessary, if you would learn to read yu May figure that out, instead of calling what I said absurd you may look and understand what you think I am saying and what I am saying do not quite line up.

true repentance leads to true faith, leads to true salvation, which leads to a change of life,

that’s the gospel

I'm not adding any false theology or adding to the meaning of a word. You are falsely accusing me and being needlessly pedantic.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It was easy for us because we live after the cross, and after Israel rejected their Messiah for the final time, as I stated.

You always claim yourself as a dispensationist but you don't seem to recognize the difference between pre-cross, when Jesus said those words, and post -cross.

I do not believe in dual covenant theology (different gospels). That is not true dispensationslism or true doctrinally

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not adding any false theology or adding to the meaning of a word. You are falsely accusing me and being needlessly pedantic.

Here are your words

Exactly the same as remorse or regret. Being sorry for your sins is changing your mind.

now are you going to continue telling me how wrong I am and continue falsely accusing me. Or admit you made a mistake if you do not really believe the above

 

[notuptome]

I do not believe in dual covenant theology (different gospels). That is not true dispensationslism or true doctrinally

Exactly we are saved by grace in both covenants. Old covenant looks forward to the cross and the New covenant looks back on the cross. Both require belief in the promise of God to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Guojing]

Exactly we are saved by grace in both covenants. Old covenant looks forward to the cross and the New covenant looks back on the cross. Both require belief in the promise of God to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Did the Jews also had to keep the law in the old covenant?

 

[lenna]

Maybe, though I don't think that's fair to a true hyper grace message.

The exclusion and hostility towards holy living isn't necessarily a part of hyper grace, though it may be one of the results.

A true view of grace will be hyper, but apprehension of that grace is transformative and leads to holy living.

This is just being culturally Christian, all of the trappings with none of the salvation.

I would agree with the 2nd sentence

hyper grace blew up on this forum some time back and we are not supposed to talk about it

however, the style of the op reminds me of that particular element in Christianity

thanks

 

[lenna]

It takes more than mere belief,

yup

 

[EleventhHour]

virtue signalling from the legalists

See a lot of this for sure.

 

[EleventhHour]

A lot of the verses like Eph 2 .10 say we ' should ' not that we all do .

The "will do and must do" to provide authentication are the tentacles of Reformed theology.

 

[EleventhHour]

Repentance is the result of salvation.

While I agree there is much changing of one's mind after salvation and regeneration, it can also precede regeneration since faith

comes by hearing and hearing the Gospel is instrumental in the changing of one's mind.

The changing of one's mind is away from one's dead works towards Christ.

The meaning of the word "metanioa" ... "after thought .. to change one's mind" carries no semantical meaning of contrition or feeling sorry although that can be the product of a changed mind.

Repentance was derived from a Latin word. In the Old Latin and Latin Vulgate metanoia was translated as paenitentia

Both Justine and Augustine looked for some sorrow/ contrition for sin and part of the conversion process.
It was the Reformation that sought to return the word back to the correct meaning.

 

[EleventhHour]

" Repent of your sins " to be saved is to keep the law to be saved . Sin is transgression of the law .

We repent, (change our mind) about our "dead works" towards Christ and accept His Work...... that is the Gospel

 

[posthuman]

Did the Jews also had to keep the law in the old covenant?

David didn't keep the law, but he found life.

How?

 

[EleventhHour]

What if He ends up walking in the path of the lost ?

He will judged for having "mere belief" without the consideration that perhaps it was discipleship and the understanding of grace that is missing.

Christians that come under "lordship salvation", teaching which is essentially finishing in the flesh what was started in the spirit ... are trying to be "good" in their own strength, by looking to the moral law, while missing the fact that they are new creations in Christ and should be living out that new position.

And because they fail ... the church condemns them has having "mere belief" when actually it was the church itself with the wrong message of discipleship that can cause the problem.

When we preach automatic growth and change and looking to one's growth for evidence of salvation like many high profile preachers unless one does well in "legalism and self-righteousness" they often fall away from that empowering grace (not salvation).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The problem you have with this ' natural man ' cannot believe the Gospel theology is that its clear " believers cannot understand the things of the Spirit as mentioned also further in chapter 3 . These believers because Of behaving and thinking fleshy, they are yet unable to understand spiritual truths paul can speak among the Mature . ( 1cor 2.6 ) So its a redundant point to hang your hat on a verse that does not say ' people without the Holy Spirit cannot believe the Gospel . This is eiesiges.

You are disregarding the truths in the scriptures; When a person is first regenerated, he is a newborn "babe in Christ" and does not have the full knowledge of the gospel, until he has been taught, and grows into maturity. The natural man is not a newborn babe in Christ, because he has not been regenerated. There is no way that the natural man can be a believer of spiritual things, until he has been born spiritually.

 

[jackrosie]

You are disregarding the truths in the scriptures; When a person is first regenerated, he is a newborn "babe in Christ" and does not have the full knowledge of the gospel, until he has been taught, and grows into maturity. The natural man is not a newborn babe in Christ, because he has not been regenerated. There is no way that the natural man can be a believer of spiritual things, until he has been born spiritually.

A Big ,AMEN!!

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The first part is right

the washing comes, then the regeneration it is said in sequence,

the rest of your post is just your opinion and I do not agree, and can’t, because it has you having a man who is dead in sin, made alibe IN sin, before he is justified of that sin.

this is not found in scripture anywhere

Eph 2:1, tells us that the natural man is dead (spiritually) in his sins at the moment that he is quickened. Paul tells us that after we have been born again, that we still carry the baggage of our fleshly nature, that we battle with, Rom 7:18.

We were justified by Jesus's death on the cross, Gal 2:16.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Oh I did indeed very closely actually.. I know every trick in the book of inserting works into salvation.

The Holy Spirit within a person will not reveal spiritual truths to a person who is built up with pride. That may be your downfall in understanding the truths in the doctrine of Jesus.

 

[EleventhHour]

You are disregarding the truths in the scriptures; When a person is first regenerated, he is a newborn "babe in Christ" and does not have the full knowledge of the gospel, until he has been taught, and grows into maturity. The natural man is not a newborn babe in Christ, because he has not been regenerated. There is no way that the natural man can be a believer of spiritual things, until he has been born spiritually.

The process is clearly shown in scripture... regeneration never precedes belief.

That is like stating "the fall" preceded Adam's disobedience.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47)

Regeneration is the act whereby God imparts life to the one who believes... that is the Gospel!!