You go right ahead and throw Ephesians 1:3-14, and innumerable other scriptures in the trashcan lady. That's your problem not mine. God help you.
Chosen by God - A study in Election
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EleventhHour
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Are you agitated?
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
As per usual Calvinists do not want to pay attention to the key words in that passage.
When it states God chose us in Him, it literally means He chose US that are in HIM, not that He chose to put us in Him in the first place.
That must be the worst attempt at exegesis that I have ever seen. Seriously that is the worst.
It doesn't deserve any comment, It deserves to be completely ignored.
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Apparently, some people have no problem making God the big sports captain in the sky .....picking His team and deliberately refusing others.... the Good News for the few.
In the general sense yes, however there were definitely all kinds of exceptions.
John MacArthur is of the opinion (for rather technical reasons) that 1 Peter was in fact written for and adressed to the gentiles who were dispersed, not the Jewish diaspora.
Gal 2:8
For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles.
That is a great idea I should download some Spurgeon sermons myself. I will start with sermons on election. The last few days I have heard juicy chunks and the most pertinent portions of Spurgeons sermons on election, but not the entire thing. The last time I heard an entire Spurgeon sermon that I downloaded was probably a year ago. Time to get busy!
Oh yes Arthur W. Pink also. Go for it. The man is a genius.
Its your attempt at exegesis that is funny.
Arthur W. Pink however is NOT funny. Quite the contrary. He has distinguished himself most honorably, has few peers, and deserves our utmost respect.
You may of course harbor feelings of contempt for him as you see fit.
His premise is almost identical to Muslims who say "show me where Jesus says "I am God, worship me." It's a false objection built on spurious premises and if met the goalposts will be moved immediately.
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Thank you. My reason for asking that question is this - when Paul was in prison in Rome, and wrote to the Ephesians, he was writing to Gentiles. So, in the first Chapter, starting in verse 4, he is implying that the Gentiles were chosen as well, which would mean that there is more than one meaning for chosen? For Israel, of course, God's chosen people, but not all chosen for Salvation? As for the Gentiles, those chosen as in chosen for Salvation?
Hope this wasn't confusing; myself, am confused.....
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It is a dogma against the very reputation/nature of God... and an ongoing infection spreading throughout the Church.
They shut the gates of Heaven and have no compunction about it.
When I read what they teach........... I see they are in the same company as these people....
"hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Cor. 4:4).
It is not scriptural... how does it continue to be an accepted theology... agree!
You have to be kidding. Jesus clearly states that He is God clearly says "worship Me".
Hey man quit preaching to the choir and just show us the scriptures.
I mean look...... we have supported our position with innumerable scriptures, and an absolute truckload of them at that. Just a ton of them.
Can you show us one? Just one let's start with one.
I understand EXACTLY what you are asking. If you listen to (or read) this sermon series, trust me, you will understand and these questions will be answered in your mind.
MacArthur's treatment is just masterful. Breathtaking really. You have to hear this. Your questions pertaining to Israel are all answered in these sermons.
https://www.gty.org/library/topical-series-library/243/the-love-of-god
First you criticize and condemn God the Father then you criticize and condemn His called and appointed teachers.
Have it your way there is going to be hell to pay. Believe it.
Your premise that in order to teach choice there must be someone being said to be choosing is a false premise, along the same lines as a muslim demanding the exact words. The very command "repent and believe" implies the capacity to do so freely.
You've "supported" your position by insisting on a false reading of John 6:44 and Romans 9 and that's about it. You speak of plain language in one place and then in another insist that the wrong word is used. It's quite a dishonest manner to handle the Word.
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Very frustrating...
but what I find very interesting is how they all share the same script... it speaks to being indoctrinated by other men.
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