Chosen by God - A study in Election

[awelight]

Actually no He cannot. God cannot do evil.

But He does create Calamity.

 

[awelight]

God can do what ever he pleases.

Well, as long as it is not contrary to His Holy nature.

 

[jackrosie]

Our God is is.in Heaven,He does as he pleases,Psalm 115:3

 

[jackrosie]

Not sure why I got a red X for quoting scripture.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Not sure why I got a red X for quoting scripture.

Psalm 135:6
The LORD does whatever pleases Him in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths.
...xox...

 

[Bbrdrd]

I do give you credit here sir, for recognizing the difficulty of the argument. However you seem to think Free Grace somehow diminishes God. It is man's fallen state which is to be blamed for his inability to hear the Gospel and react, not God. God does no harm in passing by others and not giving them the ability to hear and understand.

Though fallen humanity, outside of Election, cries out "That is not fair!" This does not make God any less Righteous. Even the president of the United States has the right to Pardon who he wills. He dose not have to Pardon everyone, in order to Pardon a few.

Excuses I've heard before, and it's quite amusing you think comparing God to a man somehow honors him. Especially a system that is so often unjust favoritism like pardons.

As I said elsewhere, total inability elevates man to the point that he can undo God's work. It forwards the notion that through sin man destroyed the image of God and is thereby incapable of rendering even a positive response.

But you're free to demonstrate that man is "unable too hear the gospel and react" Biblically. I look forward to reading Romans 3:10, Romans 5:12, Isaiah 64:6 ripped from their context and read in an Augustinian fashion.

 

[Bbrdrd]

God can do what ever he pleases.

He sure can, and He's told us what pleases Him. And it's not acting unjustly and showing favortism.

 

[cv5]

But my point is, the Lord hid things from those He did not want to understand. This was done so that Israel would not make him King. Therefore, the prophecies of His Death, Burial and Resurrection, His Redemptive work could take place. Those who deny Predestination, try to make out like the Lord does not hide things from humanity. They deny, that God has allowed the veil of Moses to remain over National Israel. That He darkens the mind and so forth.

Many on this thread would deny God's rights and freedoms. An unbiblical folly.

Many believe the parable of the landowner and the workers is illustrative of divine prerogative, divine choice, divine election and divine grace. The Landowner was under no obligation to choose or to call to service and consequently reward anybody. Text implies that he did so out of unmerited pity and mercy. What does the board think?

Matt 20:9-14
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius?14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

 

[awelight]

Excuses I've heard before, and it's quite amusing you think comparing God to a man somehow honors him

That was not the point and you know it.

Especially a system that is so often unjust favoritism like pardons.
As I said elsewhere, total inability elevates man to the point that he can undo God's work.

How in heavens name do you think that is going to happen. Man's ability or lack thereof cannot usurp God's purpose.


It forwards the notion that through sin man destroyed the image of God and is thereby incapable of rendering even a positive response.
But you're free to demonstrate that man is "unable too hear the gospel and react" Biblically. I look forward to reading Romans 3:10, Romans 5:12, Isaiah 64:6 ripped from their context and read in an Augustinian fashion.

No you a free to answer the previous questions, rather than dance around them:

Speaking of intelligence, please give answer to what our Lord is teaching here:

Mar 8:29 And he asked them, But who say ye that I am? Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
Mar 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

Why was our Lord hiding from others who He was?

Mar 9:9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, save when the Son of man should have risen again from the dead.

Again, why is the Lord hiding what they had seen?

Luke 8:55 And her spirit returned, and she rose up immediately: and he commanded that something be given her to eat.
Luke 8:56 And her parents were amazed: but he charged them to tell no man what had been done.

And yet again?

Finally, what was the Lord teaching here?

John_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.

John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who it was that should betray him.
John_6:65 And he said, For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father.

 

[cv5]

He sure can, and He's told us what pleases Him. And it's not acting unjustly and showing favortism.

God "can do" whatever he pleases, He may likewise choose "not to do". Both with same unimpeachable divine right and freedom.

 

[awelight]

He sure can, and He's told us what pleases Him. And it's not acting unjustly and showing favortism.

So obviously you deny Scripture, that's enough for me.

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

Rom 9:18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?

 

[Bbrdrd]

God "can do" whatever he pleases, He may likewise choose "not to do". Both with same unimpeachable divine right and freedom.

So then what basis for trusting His word do you have? He may please to lie to you and convince you of salvation simply to damn you, since he is free to do whatever He pleases.

 

[Bbrdrd]

So obviously you deny Scripture, that's enough for me.

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

Rom 9:18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?

You think somehow the potter's clay speaks about God acting completely and totally out of character? I don't deny Scripture, I recognize it for what it says. If we read Jeremiah we can see clearly the potter and clay analogy is about God judging not based on nothing, but based on whether the "clay" works good or evil.

Yet you abuse Scripture by not recognizing the understanding the audience would have had and forcing it into a Calvinist twist in which God acts capriciously.

 

[dcontroversal]

There is no Gospel in Calvinism . No good news to tell . Jesus is just an ' aside ' to the ' Election ' .

Amen.....like one said....I got saved without the bible...God just willed it and it happened.....<--that gospel is not found in the bible I have studied for about 45 years.....!

 

[Magenta]

Actually no He cannot. God cannot do evil.

That's true... for it would not please Him to do so

Isaiah 46:10

 

[dcontroversal]

Is it not the Calvinist view that some were created/predestined for damnation?

That is exactly what these clowns peddle

 

[dcontroversal]

I am so tired of reading how they were chosen.. they did nothing.....the Holy Spirit just came upon them .. did not even know the bible.. etc.,, etc.,

Yet they do everything and anything to complicate and obfuscate everything you stated above.

Amen.....the way the twist things and skew things they should work in an Aunt Aunties Pretzel Shop.....

 

[jackrosie]

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Amen.....like one said....I got saved without the bible...God just willed it and it happened.....<--that gospel is not found in the bible I have studied for about 45 years.....!

Same as fruit of the Spirit....you shall know them by their fruit,then they make up some lame excuse,that it doesn’t mean what it says.
Same as God dwells in a believer,....I had to show them scripture,lol.

 

[dcontroversal]

Calvinite "A" says.....Got willed it, I had no say and got saved without the bible.

God says, "Faith comes by hearing, and HEARING BY THE WORD IF GOD."

ONE of the above is mistaken, lying or just obstinate to the truth!

HOW SHALL THEY HEAR except ONE BE SENT.......

Their false ideologies are easy to dismantle!

 

[awelight]

You think somehow the potter's clay speaks about God acting completely and totally out of character? I don't deny Scripture, I recognize it for what it says. If we read Jeremiah we can see clearly the potter and clay analogy is about God judging not based on nothing, but based on whether the "clay" works good or evil.

Yet you abuse Scripture by not recognizing the understanding the audience would have had and forcing it into a Calvinist twist in which God acts capriciously.

As I said earlier, I am done with you.