Talking about Homosexuality and all the other “stuff”

[SarahUmbreon]

Really the issue is super simple but many Christians complicate it.
I've worked with gay people in the past. Though I didn't agree with homosexuality I felt neither a need to treat them badly, nor to preach at them. I didn't feel a need to tell them I disagree even.
Had it come up on its own i would have, but I felt no need to bring it up. Many of them were nice people I got along with and I felt no need to make their lives harder or worse because I didn't agree with them.
And had I made a point to do so, nothing would have changed. Because most Christians become so hyperfocused on the specific sin, that they forget that even *if* they convinced the person to stop being gay, they still aren't saved.
It's not a Christians job to tell the unsaved to stop sinning, but rather point them to God with love. Then it'd GOD's job to change their hearts away from homosexuality.

And I have found many of those Christians that support homosexuality tend to support a lot of other liberal beliefs such as abortion, etc... and outside of giving themselves a title and knowing a few key scriptures they orient to back themselves up, have little else to do with being a Christian. So in essence are Not actually Christian at all.

Definitely agree, like I mentioned with my brother’s transgender friend, it is possible for Christians to get along with the LGTB group, I but I do stress it that if they want to talk about religion, I will stand my ground as a Christian. My mom and my stepdad are actually friends with a lesbian couple from Louisiana. I don’t feel comfortable with meeting them right now, for I wish to strengthen my spirit in God as I do still struggle with thoughts and images in my head, but my mom said they hang out, and my mom says she just avoids talking about religion when around them, my mom does agree with how I say this homosexual stuff (And all other stuff relating to the LGTB group) is a very complex issue.

Also, I feel like I come across mean, like I know I will sound mean regardless because the Bible will not be tied down to world views. But I was talking to someone online, and he mentioned how his daughter is into anime and he didn’t know much about it. Probably because he didn’t know much and I didn’t want to see the same thing that happened to me, happen to another person, I decided to warn him about yaoi/BL manga/gay shipping, and he got pissed off at me, saying if I represent what Christianity is then he never wants to talk to me, I prayed for him but I just wanted to help, I know the decision of choosing to get into yaoi/BL manga was the worst decision of my life. But my therapist said I could use my bad experience and the knowledge gained from it to help others, I don’t think that’s wrong...I hope it’s not wrong, lol

I believe your response has helped me, so thanks for responding to my thread ^_^

 

[Lanolin]

Sounds like a copout. Consequences are not the same as punishment. When my kids were young, we wouldn't have cohabitators in our home. My kids weren't allowed to go over to the gay neighbors house to play. Gay neighbors never set foot in my home.

The reasoning was because I didn't want my kids having any hint of an idea that I approved of those behaviors. Whether those neighbors got offended was not as important.

Here's a question, if God gave them over to a reprobate mind, then why would you continue to try to reach out to them? Why not put that energy elsewhere - to someone more likely to hear? To someone that isn't encumbered by a reprobate mind?

never said anything about consequences a punshment you are confusing the issue.
if you want to shun people thats up to you but people do it all the time to anyone they dont like anyway, not just people that are gay.

some people you have no choice but to work with people who are gay as its against the law to discriminate, did you not know.

Besides its not only homosexuals that you shoudnt let your children play with, its heterosexuals or anyone who cant control themselves, sexual immorality isnt actually restricted to the same sex.

usually people that are gay loudly proclaim they are, but of course lots of people hide before they 'come out' so I cant imagine you interrogating everyone you meet by asking 'are you gay?' and then going well if you are stay the hell away.

I mean get real.

 

[powderman]

Our Pastor has said many times, for me to know the truth and not tell you, your blood will be on my hands. Not word for word but I believe it comes from EZEKIAL. Thee Bible is very clear on this subject.
It is our duty as Christians to recognize sin and warn homosexuals that they are violating God's laws and headed for hell if they refuse to obey God's laws and repent of their sin, they might want to read about Sodom and Gomorah.
After we have warned them the choice is up to them and we should answer any questions they might have, then back off, our duty is done.
LOVE THEM?? Of course we should. There are 2 in our family, we still love them and treat them with love and respect. Never condone this sin just to appease a loved one or family member, they are on their own, continue praying for them. CHARLIE.

 

[rainbowflags]

we should read what the prophets say about Sodom and Gomorah even what Jesus says about them do you know there was 7 places and they where Kainanits here is some scriptchers you should read if you like Romans 6;14 Romans 10;4 Romans 2;1-5 about judging read this thank God bless

 

[tourist]

I know I probably sound like some stupid boomer who doesn't know anything. I'm not a boomer. But I do have enough experience to know that what I said above is absolutely true.

Actually, there are quite a few boomers on this site including myself. We too are experienced in certain matters and willing to offer wise counsel even it is not taken seriously by those that think that they know everything. I have read a few posts of yours and can say that you know a few things too.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Our Pastor has said many times, for me to know the truth and not tell you, your blood will be on my hands. Not word for word but I believe it comes from EZEKIAL. Thee Bible is very clear on this subject.
It is our duty as Christians to recognize sin and warn homosexuals that they are violating God's laws and headed for hell if they refuse to obey God's laws and repent of their sin, they might want to read about Sodom and Gomorah.
After we have warned them the choice is up to them and we should answer any questions they might have, then back off, our duty is done.
LOVE THEM?? Of course we should. There are 2 in our family, we still love them and treat them with love and respect. Never condone this sin just to appease a loved one or family member, they are on their own, continue praying for them. CHARLIE.

And here I thought the gospel was to point people to God, and let Him deal with their sins. Not getting the unsaved to stop sinning.

 

[shittim]

we should read what the prophets say about Sodom and Gomorah even what Jesus says about them do you know there was 7 places and they where Kainanits here is some scriptchers you should read if you like Romans 6;14 Romans 10;4 Romans 2;1-5 about judging read this thank God bless


we can't just cherry pick a verse or two and make them say what we want them to say, the often misused, "Judge not lest yea be judged" is twisted that way when in the very next verse we are instructed to "first remove the beam in your own eye that you may see more clearly". Of course we are to judge, to discern, to encourage in the truth, to avoid evil and cling to that which is good.
We haven't been under the law and the prophets for 2,000 years.
best wishes

 

[Lanolin]

I am sure people that engage in homosexuality ALREADY know that its wrong, just as people who drink know but for some reason they cant bring themselves to stop.

You may want to consider, just what is mising or hurt in their lives they are trying to cope with by being homosexual, or drinking, or whatever maladaptive sinful behaviours people use to 'cope'. I mean why did Cain kill Abel? it wasnt that he was a killer. he was jealous. why was he jealous? or was he just born evil?

if you can get to the root of the problem , maybe then you can do something about it. It doesnt make sense to just blanketly label people for their behaviours, if they have no idea how to stop sinning.

 

[surfer14]

And here I thought the gospel was to point people to God, and let Him deal with their sins. Not getting the unsaved to stop sinning.

It's not about getting the unsaved to stop sinning. The point is that homosexuality is highly toxic to the culture. Widespread homosexuality inhibits men from getting together to do man stuff. If men and boys don't get together and do man stuff on a consistent basis, then they will devolve into the typical effeminate male that you see so prevalent today. Effeminate males cannot build or maintain our culture.

I would 100% support the death penalty for homosexuality. Not because I hate them. But because they are so cancerous to a healthy society.

 

[Susanna]

I would 100% support the death penalty for homosexuality. Not because I hate them. But because they are so cancerous to a healthy society.

Now you crossed the line. This is hate speech and should be dealt with accordingly.

 

[surfer14]

Now you crossed the line. This is hate speech and should be dealt with accordingly.

LOL. I'd like to see you "deal with God accordingly" while you're at it.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Ban the Bible from the Christian website! It's hate speech! LOL!

 

[SarahUmbreon]

I’m surprised no one brought up the fact I mentioned “Non-binary”, yeah sure the main issue isn’t on them, but I’m just legit wondering now if anyone knows about the “Non-bianires” and how annoying it is, actually just looked it up on Wikipedia (Which I know is not the best source for research, but it’s what I prefer) and apparently they have existed since the 80s, didn’t know that, I thought it was a new thing, lol. You are either a man or a woman, there is no changing nor “arguing” about how God created you, at least that’s my opinion.

If anyone’s bored enough, here’s the Wikipedia article, but be warned it might make you lose hope in humanity, lol...I mean that as a joke, but seriously it’s pretty cringe: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender

Edit: Plus demanding to be called “they/them” instead of “He” or “She” is the legit definition of being a “special snowflake”, I’m sorry but it is, can’t change my mind.

 

[tourist]

It's not about getting the unsaved to stop sinning. The point is that homosexuality is highly toxic to the culture. Widespread homosexuality inhibits men from getting together to do man stuff. If men and boys don't get together and do man stuff on a consistent basis, then they will devolve into the typical effeminate male that you see so prevalent today. Effeminate males cannot build or maintain our culture.

I would 100% support the death penalty for homosexuality. Not because I hate them. But because they are so cancerous to a healthy society.

There is a death penalty for each sin that we commit but Jesus paid the penalty for us by dying on the cross. Even if there were no homosexuals there would still not be a healthy society because sin would still exist in the world. Does widespread homosexuality inhibit you from doing man stuff?

 

[1ofthem]

LOL. I'd like to see you "deal with God accordingly" while you're at it.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Ban the Bible from the Christian website! It's hate speech! LOL!

I don't agree with homosexuals in anyway. But I don't think they should be killed. I mean, don't you think they can repent and get saved and changed their ways?

 

[tourist]

LOL. I'd like to see you "deal with God accordingly" while you're at it.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Ban the Bible from the Christian website! It's hate speech! LOL!

Moses also said that that a man and a woman caught in adultery be put to death. Death penalty for adulterers as well? The words of Moses may or may not conform with the intent of God. There was a woman caught in adultery. A crowd was ready to stone her to death. Jesus said that those without sin cast the first stone. Not a single stone was thrown. He told the woman that He does not condemn her and told her to go and sin no more. This is diametrically opposed to what Moses taught. Interesting that there was no mention of the man that was involved with the woman. Apparently, the crowd gave him a pass 'cause he's a man doing man things.

 

[surfer14]

I mean, don't you think they can repent and get saved and changed their ways?

I don't care whether they can repent and change. Nor do I care if they're saved. All I care about is saving the culture for our children and grandchildren.

You're a woman. Don't you care about your children and grandchildren? Don't you want them to live in a decent nation? Or do you like your kids to go to gay pride events? Do you like your kids to go to tranny story time at the library? I'm shocked that you would be willing to sacrifice your children on the alter of political correctness.

 

[1ofthem]

I don't care whether they can repent and change. Nor do I care if they're saved. All I care about is saving the culture for our children and grandchildren.

You're a woman. Don't you care about your children and grandchildren? Don't you want them to live in a decent nation? Or do you like your kids to go to gay pride events? Do you like your kids to go to tranny story time at the library? I'm shocked that you would be willing to sacrifice your children on the alter of political correctness.

I just said, I don't agree with them and don't uphold gays in anyway. I really don't like to see it on television or anything like that either. I am definitely not trying to be politically correct here either.

As far as children go, we need to teach our children in the way we would have them to go. It is our duty to teach our children the correct and biblical way because there are many things going on in the world that isn't good. But that don't mean we kill every sinner out there to make the world a better place. Never saw where Jesus taught such a thing anywhere.

I'm saying that we should pray for the gays that they will get saved and turn from their ways. Tell them the truth about what the word of God says and leave it at that. The rest is up to God not me. I'm sure Jesus wouldn't want us to go around killing sinners of any type, gay, fornicators, adulterers, liars, cheaters...etc.

 

[surfer14]

Moses also said that that a man and a woman caught in adultery be put to death. Death penalty for adulterers as well? The words of Moses may or may not conform with the intent of God. There was a woman caught in adultery. A crowd was ready to stone her to death. Jesus said that those without sin cast the first stone. Not a single stone was thrown. He told the woman that He does not condemn her and told her to go and sin no more. This is diametrically opposed to what Moses taught. Interesting that there was no mention of the man that was involved with the woman. Apparently, the crowd gave him a pass 'cause he's a man doing man things.

Adultery isn't as cancerous to the culture as homosexuality. But if you insist on the death penalty for adulterers I guess I'd be fine with that also.

Jesus was not teaching contrary to Moses. Look at the law. Look at the burden of proof requirements.

Why do you have so much sympathy homosexuals? Is it because you're trying to be true to God? Or is it because you're trying to gain the approval of the secular world? Stop trying to please those who hate Jesus. If they don't hate you and hate what you stand for, then I think you're doing it wrong.

 

[surfer14]

I'm sure Jesus wouldn't want us to go around killing sinners of any type, gay, fornicators, adulterers, liars, cheaters...etc.

So you're sure that Jesus disapproves of the death penalty? Where do you get that idea? That's what I'm advocating.

These people have been given over to a reprobate mind. Do you know what that means? Think about the implications of that for just a minute. Do you really want a person like that anywhere near you or your children? What kind of woman would want her kids exposed to that?

 

[1ofthem]

So you're sure that Jesus disapproves of the death penalty? Where do you get that idea? That's what I'm advocating.

These people have been given over to a reprobate mind. Do you know what that means? Think about the implications of that for just a minute. Do you really want a person like that anywhere near you or your children? What kind of woman would want her kids exposed to that?

Are you for real? What part of I don't uphold gays, do you not get?

As far as killing anyone goes, you had better take that up with God. There is not one place in the New Testament where we are instructed to kill gays or sinners. Is there?