Chosen by God - A study in Election

[Iconoclast]

Good grief man do you want us to post Ephesians chapter 1 over and over and over again?

Eph 1:3-6
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.


That, my confused friend is ironclad doctrine.

It is as if they hate these truths which are a great blessing to the church.

 

[cv5]

It is as if they hate these truths which are a great blessing to the church.

It's a bitter pill to swallow for many. Nevertheless, the Bible is utterly crystal-clear on this matter with no shadow of doubt.

 

[Bbrdrd]

I really don't understand why Calvinists argue their points so vigorously. If we are mere playthings with God selecting from the very beginning then there is nothing that can be done about it. There is no peril for the one who doesn't believe because they can't change their fate merely wait for it to occur. In fact, the damned are better off not knowing because who would be able to enjoy what little pleasure God allows them before eternally torturing them if they knew not only the fate that was coming but its inevitability, their complete inability to change it. It's such a monstrous idea and paints such a twisted and disgusting picture of God completely not worth worshiping.

Thank God that's not the God Jesus reveals.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But as far as God is concerned, the ELECT have already been written in the Book of Life indelibly from eternity past.

All human beings were written in the Book of Life, since eternal life is offered to all (Rev 22:17). But only those who obeyed (and will obey) the Gospel remain. All others are removed -- blotted out.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my Book. (Exod 32:33)

So when the books are opened at the Great White Throne Judgment, along with the Book of Life, those not found in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire. BUT GOD CONDEMNS NO ONE TO HELL IN ADVANCE. They choose Hell.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

Did you get that? Please read that verse over and over again until it sinks in.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I really don't understand why Calvinists argue their points so vigorously.

Because they know deep down that it is all fiction which opposes God and Christ.

 

[cv5]

All human beings were written in the Book of Life, since eternal life is offered to all (Rev 22:17). But only those who obeyed (and will obey) the Gospel remain. All others are removed -- blotted out.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my Book. (Exod 32:33)

So when the books are opened at the Great White Throne Judgment, along with the Book of Life, those not found in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire. BUT GOD CONDEMNS NO ONE TO HELL IN ADVANCE. They choose Hell.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

Did you get that? Please read that verse over and over again until it sinks in.

You have a few interesting arguments. And trust me I am no Calvinist. There are plenty of Scriptures pertaining to abiding, making your salvation sure, walking in Godly fear.

If it weren't for Ephesians chapter 1 you might get some better traction.

And dont forget Rev 13:8 and 17:9

And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.


The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go into destruction; and those dwelling on the earth whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will wonder, seeing the beast which was, and is not, and yet will be.

I will be studying more about the book of life tomorrow have a nice evening everyone.

 

[jackrosie]

It's a bitter pill to swallow for many. Nevertheless, the Bible is utterly crystal-clear on this matter with no shadow of doubt.

And there is no “Shadow Of Doubt ” when you are truly Born Again........when God testifies that to your Spirit........it’s more precious than anything in the whole world......you are His Child.

“WOW! it blows your mind and it should........because it came from Almighty God!

 

[John146]

God isn't waiting to know who are His, as God already chose the elect from eternity past. God ALREADY knows who are His. He always has.

Your opinions don’t matter. Where in scripture does it state what you are claiming? If it’s true, there should be plain scripture stating it.

 

[John146]

Good grief man do you want us to post Ephesians chapter 1 over and over and over again?

Eph 1:3-6
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.


That, my confused friend is ironclad doctrine.

It does not say, I chose you to BE in him before the foundation of the world. That’s how you’re reading it. That’s not correct.

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

What God has chosen before the foundation of the world are the spiri blessings in the heavenly places in the Christ. They can be found no where else. The word “according” takes what is about to be said and places it on what was just stated. That’s the English language. You’re trying to make the word “us” as the context rather ”the spiritual blessings in Christ”. Paul is talking about what God has chosen for us in Christ before the foundation of the world.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yet not one verse says we are chosen to be saved .
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)

Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)

There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

8. Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)

You are being sucked in to believe the false doctrine preached, by man's wisdom, and not by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Those that were chosen before the foundation of the world were predestined to be adopted children of God. All of God's chosen were born into this world contaminated by Adam's sin, and sometime in their natural life, God quickens them to a new spiritual life by putting his Holy Spirit within them

The first thing in an adoption is for the Father to choose the children he wants to adopt. Eph 1:4. The second phase of the adoption is to pay the price of adoption, John 6:39, which was accomplished by Christ's death on the cross. The third phase of the adoption is to pick up the adopted children up, and bring them home, which will be when Christ sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matt 24:31.

This process of adoption is the same one that we use in adopting children here in this world.

Scripture proves scripture, and should be our only source of gleaning the truths of Christ's doctrine, without depending upon some man's false interpretation of the scriptures.

 

[throughfaith]

You are being sucked in to believe the false doctrine preached, by man's wisdom, and not by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Those that were chosen before the foundation of the world were predestined to be adopted children of God. All of God's chosen were born into this world contaminated by Adam's sin, and sometime in their natural life, God quickens them to a new spiritual life by putting his Holy Spirit within them

The first thing in an adoption is for the Father to choose the children he wants to adopt. Eph 1:4. The second phase of the adoption is to pay the price of adoption, John 6:39, which was accomplished by Christ's death on the cross. The third phase of the adoption is to pick up the adopted children up, and bring them home, which will be when Christ sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matt 24:31.

This process of adoption is the same one that we use in adopting children here in this world.

Scripture proves scripture, and should be our only source of gleaning the truths of Christ's doctrine, without depending upon some man's false interpretation of the scriptures.

Yes we are predestined to the Adoption. Question : From Romans 8 .23 when is it ?
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting ! for the adoption , to wit, the redemption of our body.
clearly the predestination is our future Adoption. Calvinism teaches against the bible saying people are adopted like the western way /////.
This process of adoption is the same one that we use in adopting children here in this world.//// proven by your comment )
But upon conversion. Which the bible clearly says we only receive the Spirit OF adoption. No matter how many times you show a Calvinst Rom 8 .23 they will still think the adoption is at conversion lol . Just like a Catholic they have to fall back on the system when things clash with it .

 

[throughfaith]

You are being sucked in to believe the false doctrine preached, by man's wisdom, and not by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Those that were chosen before the foundation of the world were predestined to be adopted children of God. All of God's chosen were born into this world contaminated by Adam's sin, and sometime in their natural life, God quickens them to a new spiritual life by putting his Holy Spirit within them

The first thing in an adoption is for the Father to choose the children he wants to adopt. Eph 1:4. The second phase of the adoption is to pay the price of adoption, John 6:39, which was accomplished by Christ's death on the cross. The third phase of the adoption is to pick up the adopted children up, and bring them home, which will be when Christ sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matt 24:31.

This process of adoption is the same one that we use in adopting children here in this world.

Scripture proves scripture, and should be our only source of gleaning the truths of Christ's doctrine, without depending upon some man's false interpretation of the scriptures.

Again we see a bible verse incorrectly quoted to twist the meaning, proving the system clouds the minds of calvinsts from seeing the scriptures properly " Those that were chosen before the foundation of the world" A gold star awarded for anyone that can spot what's blatantly missing from the quote above ? ( EPH 1 .4 )

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Calvinists should give it a rest. TULIP IS TIRESOME.

1. Unconditional election is FALSE DOCTRINE. Among many other passages John 3:16,17 thoroughly refutes it.

2. Since all men are sinners, and Christ died for all, God offers salvation freely to all mankind. That in itself is the strongest proof that Calvinistic unconditional election is not only false, BUT OPPOSES GOD AND CHRIST.

4. Furthermore Israel in the Bible is the strongest evidence that God elects none for salvation or damnation. Israel was in fact THE ELECT NATION of God. Which would mean -- according to Calvinistic logic -- that each and every Israelite should have been elected for salvation. But the history of Israel proves that because of unbelief and rebellion, only a small believing remnant of Jews were saved. Indeed God brought judgment upon Israel for the rejection of Christ.

5. Therefore with all of those Scriptures before Calvinists, it is purely WILFUL BLINDNESS to go on believing the lie that God elects some for salvation and others for damnation.

You fail to understand the significance of God changing Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called ISRAEL, Gen 33:28. Jacob is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11-13. You are applying a lot of scriptures containing the word ISRAEL to the nation of Israel, which are instead referring to Jacob as ISRAEL.

This is why Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach to the LOST SHEEP (God's regenerated children) of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL (Jacob), not the nation of Israel.

God's newly regenerated children (babes in Christ) are ignorant of the knowledge of God's righteousness, and have need of being taught that knowledge, Rom 10:1-3, in the same way that are infant children have need of being taught through a process of learning from their experiences in life, and the instruction of their parents.

 

[throughfaith]

You are being sucked in to believe the false doctrine preached, by man's wisdom, and not by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Those that were chosen before the foundation of the world were predestined to be adopted children of God. All of God's chosen were born into this world contaminated by Adam's sin, and sometime in their natural life, God quickens them to a new spiritual life by putting his Holy Spirit within them

The first thing in an adoption is for the Father to choose the children he wants to adopt. Eph 1:4. The second phase of the adoption is to pay the price of adoption, John 6:39, which was accomplished by Christ's death on the cross. The third phase of the adoption is to pick up the adopted children up, and bring them home, which will be when Christ sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matt 24:31.

This process of adoption is the same one that we use in adopting children here in this world.

Scripture proves scripture, and should be our only source of gleaning the truths of Christ's doctrine, without depending upon some man's false interpretation of the scriptures.

Christ sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matt 24:31
Jews .( elect )

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes we are predestined to the Adoption. Question : From Romans 8 .23 when is it ?
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting ! for the adoption , to wit, the redemption of our body.
clearly the predestination is our future Adoption. Calvinism teaches against the bible saying people are adopted like the western way /////.
This process of adoption is the same one that we use in adopting children here in this world.//// proven by your comment )
But upon conversion. Which the bible clearly says we only receive the Spirit OF adoption. No matter how many times you show a Calvinst Rom 8 .23 they will still think the adoption is at conversion lol . Just like a Catholic they have to fall back on the system when things clash with it .

You are dismissing the fact that the adoption is process of three separate phases.

 

[throughfaith]

You are being sucked in to believe the false doctrine preached, by man's wisdom, and not by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Those that were chosen before the foundation of the world were predestined to be adopted children of God. All of God's chosen were born into this world contaminated by Adam's sin, and sometime in their natural life, God quickens them to a new spiritual life by putting his Holy Spirit within them

The first thing in an adoption is for the Father to choose the children he wants to adopt. Eph 1:4. The second phase of the adoption is to pay the price of adoption, John 6:39, which was accomplished by Christ's death on the cross. The third phase of the adoption is to pick up the adopted children up, and bring them home, which will be when Christ sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matt 24:31.

This process of adoption is the same one that we use in adopting children here in this world.

Scripture proves scripture, and should be our only source of gleaning the truths of Christ's doctrine, without depending upon some man's false interpretation of the scriptures.

Scripture is from God and God cannot lie. (2 Tim. 3:16; Tit. 1:2)

2. Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)

3. Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

4. Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)

5. Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)

6. There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)

7. Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

8. Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)

9. Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)

 

[throughfaith]

You are dismissing the fact that the adoption is process of three separate phases.

Of course . This is called post hoc rationalization.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Christ sends his angels to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, Matt 24:31
Jews .( elect )

Not Jews only, but of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 5:9, which are the elect represented by Jacob, as ISRAEL, not the NATION of Israel.

 

[throughfaith]

You are dismissing the fact that the adoption is process of three separate phases.

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Not Jews only, but of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 5:9, which are the elect represented by Jacob, as ISRAEL, not the NATION of Israel.

More post hoc rationalization.

 

[throughfaith]

Not Jews only, but of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 5:9, which are the elect represented by Jacob, as ISRAEL, not the NATION of Israel.

Rev 5.9 and Mathew 24 are different verses . Things different are not the same . Context + calvinism = 0