Chosen by God - A study in Election

[eternally-gratefull]

whoever said An omniscient God...guesses
That is ignorant right there.

He does not guess he knows
He does not give eternal life to just anyone

 

[eternally-gratefull]

utter nonsense and an excellent point by point explanation of why most people reject Calvinism

Calvinism appeals to certain people because it defines their life for them so that they do not have to do so

the Bible is clear that salvation is only through the blood of Christ and whosoever will may call upon His name for salvation

@ cv5 as for this thread, why on earth would you start this up again when there are threads running page after page about this very thing?

as for MacArthur, he has basically consigned millions to hell, in his mind, because of his anti-gifts rhetoric

Your agreeing with Chris?

 

[throughfaith]

OK
Eph 1:4-5
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Rom 8:29
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

2Tim 1:9
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Prov 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

1 Pet 1:20
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

And proof text bingo begins.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Believe and be saved is absolutely correct. But you had better figure out a way to square believing from eternity past before you were born into that equation.

Nope

It was gods will that whoever saw and believed would be given eternal life (John 6)

Your taking the relational love if a god out of the picture

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with what you say. The question at hand is: when?
Before the foundation of the world as the Bible clearly states, or at such a time as the sinner repents?

Whoever believes (John 3)
Whoever asks (John 4)
Whoever eats and drinks (John 6)
The moment we believed in faith (EPH 1)

I can go on and on and on

 

[cv5]

You have to back up yourself what you believe from the scriptures, and not just post a sermon as an answer.

Eph 1:11
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love

Rev 13:8
And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Gal 1:15
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,

Col 3:12
Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,

Jer 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

1 Thess 1:4
For we know, brothers loved by God, that He has chosen you,


Mark 13:20
And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.

Eph 1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, ...

 

[Chester]

He did?

I don't think he did; but that is why I asked!

 

[EleventhHour]

Sickening hey....absolutely not of God!

In the modern vernacular.... Calvinism >>>> "SOME Lives Matter"

Yet God states otherwise, He does not deny or withhold salvation

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Luke 15:9

 

[throughfaith]

OK
Eph 1:4-5
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Rom 8:29
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

2Tim 1:9
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Prov 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

1 Pet 1:20
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Any thoughts or context? Or do I just post back a bunch of verses and just assume you understand my point?

 

[cv5]

Any thoughts or context? Or do I just post back a bunch of verses and just assume you understand my point?

2 Tim 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

The majority of the verses that I posted or self-explanatory, and say what they mean and mean what they say. Most are axiomatic, and therefore do not need interpretation. One simply receives them in their plain meaning.

 

[throughfaith]

OK
Eph 1:4-5
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Rom 8:29
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

2Tim 1:9
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Prov 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

1 Pet 1:20
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

Acts 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Ephesians 1 when are we adopted ( check rom 8.23 ) ?

 

[throughfaith]

2 Tim 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

The majority of the verses that I posted or self-explanatory, and say what they mean and mean what they say. Most are axiomatic, and therefore do not need interpretation. One simply receives them in their plain meaning.

Eph 1 .
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
See ,this proves you wrong . I rest my case .

 

[cv5]

Ephesians 1 when are we adopted ( check rom 8.23 ) ?

Rom 8:16-17
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
and if children, also heirs: heirs indeed of God, and joint-heirs of Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified together.

Adoption? Already a done deal. We are simply waiting for glorified bodies with which we can enjoy full and unfettered fellowship with God. IMO, this adoption being foreordained in the will of God, has already happened as far as God is concerned. But it has not yet happened as far as we are concerned.

Again all of this happened in eternity past. The whole kit and caboodle.

Rom 4:17
As it is written, I have made you the father of many nations. [He was appointed our father] in the sight of God in Whom he believed, Who gives life to the dead and speaks of the nonexistent things that [He has foretold and promised] as if they [already] existed.

 

[cv5]

Eph 1 .
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
See ,this proves you wrong . I rest my case .

????????
Sorry .....you lost me there.

 

[lenna]

Aaahhhmmmm.........As I have stated before I am not a Calvinist.

sorry about the Calvinist label


but you are a judge of blasphemy? I think that might be a more concerning item

the title of your op is very misleading since that is item #1 on the Calvinist hit parade...which no doubt you know

 

[cv5]

In the modern vernacular.... Calvinism >>>> "SOME Lives Matter"

Yet God states otherwise, He does not deny or withhold salvation

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Luke 15:9

Amen. That would be God choosing those who will be given to Christ as a love gift.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think he did; but that is why I asked!

Ok sorry I misunderstood you

 

[Nehemiah6]

The thrust of John chapter 3 is as follows: No one has any choice whatsoever regarding their first birth. And Jesus Himself makes it perfectly clear that no one has any choice whatsoever regarding their second birth. Both are sovereign works of God, both an expression of His Will.

And you forgot all about THE FAITH OF THE ONE WHO BELIEVES ON CHRIST.

So let's go back to John chapter 3:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Now kindly go to Romans 4 and make the connection between (1)GRACE, (2) FAITH, and (3) IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS.

And before you come along and say that God gives the gift of SAVING FAITH only to the elect, read and study Romans 10, particularly verse 17:

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. [the Gospel]

 

[lenna]

Ok sorry I misunderstood you

if you mean me, yes you did

his posts are utterly confusing and even a Calvinist would go whaaaa?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 Tim 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

The majority of the verses that I posted or self-explanatory, and say what they mean and mean what they say. Most are axiomatic, and therefore do not need interpretation. One simply receives them in their plain meaning.

Yet they must be presented side by side with the chapters I posted about earlier in a way they do not contradict.