Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[EleventhHour]

It makes me feel very blessed and grateful.

6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
1 Cor 13:6

What you promote is not truth, God does give to one and exclude another. You are not more worthy than anyone else.
Truly sad.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
1 Cor 13:6

What you promote is not truth, God does give to one and exclude another. You are not more worthy than anyone else.
Truly sad.

The doctrine that I believe in is the truth by evidence of the harmonizing scriptures, that is why I can rejoice in it. You, actually, have no doctrinal beliefs based on the harmony of the scriptures, your doctrine seems to focus on belittling others beliefs with hateful, and degrading remarks. You must lead a very unhappy life.

 

[EleventhHour]

(Acts 16:14) And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple of the city of Thyatira, one that worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened to give heed unto the things which were spoken by Paul.

A huge presumption that she was not saved and that whose heart was opened is her being regenerated.

She could in fact have already been saved, since she was one who worshiped God.

And maybe her heart was opened as a believer and and she learned more from Paul and was baptized.

Again, based on presupposition to make it fit a faulty doctrine.

 

[EleventhHour]

The doctrine that I believe in is the truth by evidence of the harmonizing scriptures, that is why I can rejoice in it. You, actually, have no doctrinal beliefs based on the harmony of the scriptures, your doctrine seems to focus on belittling others beliefs with hateful, and degrading remarks. You must lead a very unhappy life.

No, I just have no desire to accommodate very false doctrine .. especially one that changes who God is according to the Gospel.

 

[Iconoclast]

I disagree my friend. Natural man has an intuitive drive to acknowledge spiritual realms, but obviously many refuse to acknowledge God’s Truth in Jesus Christ.

Roman's 1 describes the religion of unsaved natural men. They worship demonic idols

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Roman's 1 describes the religion of unsaved natural men. They worship demonic idols

I usually agree with most of your posts, but we , evidently, differ on the the depth of the depravity of some of God's regenerated children. Just because we have been born again, does not mean that we do not still carry the baggage of our fleshly nature with us. This battle, as Paul explains in Romans 7, within us is much stronger on the natural side of some of us, than others.

Sometimes when the scriptures talk about "the wicked" it is talking about the unregenerate, as in Psalms 73, but most of the time, I believe, it is referencing the regenerate. As awful as the description of the people are in Romans 1, I believe it to be referring to the regenerated people of God.

Some of the wording in Romans, verse 18 & 19, to me, does not harmonize with the description of the natural man in 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No, I just have no desire to accommodate very false doctrine .. especially one that changes who God is according to the Gospel.

I do not know who taught you in the belief that you have, but you seem to be locked into it so tight that you do not make any room to explore the other scriptures with the intent to harmonize them.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

A huge presumption that she was not saved and that whose heart was opened is her being regenerated.

She could in fact have already been saved, since she was one who worshiped God.

And maybe her heart was opened as a believer and and she learned more from Paul and was baptized.

Again, based on presupposition to make it fit a faulty doctrine.

The reason that her heart was opened is the fact that she had already been regenerated and given a heart of flesh that could be opened.

 

[Grandpa]

Which person states this?

You do.

But you don't even really know what you are saying when you say it. I always have to show you. And then you usually deny it.

You know what I do not understand how anyone can look at "God with us in Christ" and promote a God who withhold's grace to people based on some unknown criteria?

All you have to do is read your bible. You'll see people like Pharaoh, the Caananites, the Philistines, the priests of ba'al, the Pharisees, on and on and on.

They are enemies of God.

Really how does it feel to live everyday thinking God chose you above others?

It feels good. But it doesn't feel like I was chosen "above" anyone else.

It makes me grateful, knowing there was nothing in me that would cause God to choose me "above" any others.

 

[Duskey]

You do not come to Christ, Christ comes to you, John 15:16, and this does not have reference to the Apostles, but to

I am going to have to ask for scriptures that indicate that the natural man has an intuitive drive to acknowledge spiritual realms.

I do not recall any such scriptures.

Come on, man, almost every known culture in recorded history, if not all of them, has acknowledged the presence of our Creator. You know that. The Aztecs weren’t sacrificing children because they had nothing else to do on Saturday nights. As far as Scripture goes, read Romans 2:14-15.

 

[Duskey]

"Duskey,


[Scripture please: Book, chapter, verse].
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

[God grants the opportunity to all men.]

This is not true and has never been true all through History.
When Jesus was dying on the cross, there were people living and dying that very day, that very week who never heard about the person and work of Jesus....people in the rainforest, Indonesia, never heard about the bible, Jesus or salvation.
God did not grant them the same opportunity.
There are over 5000 people groups who do not have a bible in their language.

Romans 2

 

[Duskey]

I noticed you failed to address John 3:16 once again in that post.

Like sunlight to a vampire.

 

[Duskey]

I don't understand how a person can read the bible and come to the conclusion that all people are good and they can all be saved.

Who on ChristianChat openly states that all people are good?

 

[Duskey]

Truthfully, man's will is not free even in earthly matters. Let me give a couple of examples: 1) You cannot have any car wish to have; you can only have what you can afford. 2) When you wake up, you cannot put on anything that you might choose to wear because you are limited to that which you have. 3) You cannot eat anything you would like to eat at home because you are limited to what you have on hand.

1. People who lease cars are capable of driving more expensive cars.

2. You can choose to buy new clothes or choose not to wear anything.

3. Call up and order delivery.

Our will is free indeed, and many of us have used that freedom to give our lives to Christ.

 

[Duskey]

You know, you have a lot to say but have little evidence to prove any of your points or criticisms. I just want to ask then,

Did the Gospel come unto you only? It must have, since you see no point in quoting any Scripture. But I say only in regards to my post, like the Apostle Paul,

(Gal 1:10) For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? or am I striving to please men? if I were still pleasing men, I should not be a servant of Christ.

She quoted John 3:16 several times.

 

[Duskey]

You, actually, have no doctrinal beliefs

Please respond to post 4091.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Come on, man, almost every known culture in recorded history, if not all of them, has acknowledged the presence of our Creator. You know that. The Aztecs weren’t sacrificing children because they had nothing else to do on Saturday nights. As far as Scripture goes, read Romans 2:14-15.

Almost all of the bible is directed to those that have already been regenerated, including Romans 2.

 

[Duskey]

Almost all of the bible is directed to those that have already been regenerated, including Romans 2.

On what basis do you make your decision? I’ve heard countless people who did not believe in Jesus, read the Bible and believed in Him because of reading it.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Do you weep for those created for destruction? If not you haven’t learned much. Unless of course you fervently ask God to allow someone to trade places with you. That would be 100% Christlike on your part.

Sorry, I did not, according to the content, deem it worthwhile to respond. First of all they were not created for destruction. I do believe that God gave the freedom of mankind to choose out his changes as he sojourns here on earth, but gave him no part in his eternal destination, and that, evidently, was man's downfall, because they choose not to seek God, no, not one. 1 Cor 2:14 describes all mankind, until God regenerated his elect. 100 percent of fallen mankind is what God had to select his elect from, had he not we would have all went to hell. No I do not shed one tear for their bad choices, but I have shed a few tears for my bad choice Sorry that I had not responded to that particular post. I try to respond to all of the posts that are directed to me.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

On what basis do you make your decision? I’ve heard countless people who did not believe in Jesus, read the Bible and believed in Him because of reading it.

The natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, will not pick up a bible of spiritual conversations, because he cannot make heads nor tails of it, and thinks spiritual things are foolish. I know that I keep beating you over the head with 1 Cor 2:14, but until you understand the content of that verse, we will never have a compatible conversation about the scriptures. I don't intend to be so blunt with my answers to you, but it seems that I have to repeat the same verses to you that I have already presented to you. God speed in your ability to learn.