Eternal Security - Most dangerous words ever preached: Once saved, always saved.

[Nehemiah6]

...we must add the Resurrection to the Cross...

Without the resurrection, the Gospel is INCOMPLETE. So do you believe in a full and complete Gospel, or just half a Gospel? Would you rather follow Swaggart than Paul?

Now please note carefully what Paul has to say about the Gospel whereby we are saved:

1 CORINTHIANS 15: THE GOSPEL SUMMARIZED BY PAUL
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the Gospel
[A] which I preached unto you,
which also ye have received,
[C] and wherein ye stand;
[D] 2 By which also ye are saved,
[E] if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
[F] unless ye have believed in vain.

[A] 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [THE CROSS]
[C] 4 And that he was buried,
[D] and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures: [THE RESURRECTION]

 

[Nehemiah6]

Did Jesus Christ die for the sins of all and then fail to bring all into the Ark of Salvation or did Jesus Christ die for some (the elect), and will bring all that the Father gave to Him in the Covenant of Redemption, before the world began?

Do you know anything about obedience to the Gospel?

The failure is on the part of those who fail to obey the Gospel.
But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:16,17)

Looks like you know nothing about Gospel, since the Bible is very clear that Christ did for the sins of the whole world. Anyone who denies or disputes that goes into heresy.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Without the resurrection, the Gospel is INCOMPLETE. So do you believe in a full and complete Gospel, or just half a Gospel? Would you rather follow Swaggart than Paul?

Now please note carefully what Paul has to say about the Gospel whereby we are saved:

1 CORINTHIANS 15: THE GOSPEL SUMMARIZED BY PAUL
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the Gospel
[A] which I preached unto you,
which also ye have received,
[C] and wherein ye stand;
[D] 2 By which also ye are saved,
[E] if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
[F] unless ye have believed in vain.

[A] 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [THE CROSS]
[C] 4 And that he was buried,
[D] and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures: [THE RESURRECTION]

As believers, it is important that we keep “first things first.” Without the Cross, there is no Resurrection! Without the death of Jesus on Calvary, there would be no need for His Resurrection.

Both are forever connected. But the Resurrection remains dependent upon the Cross. The Cross is never dependent upon the Resurrection! Therefore, It is impossible to experience Resurrection life unless you first embrace the crucified life. So let us die daily to self and thereby experience Resurrection life, just as God intended.

 

[Duskey]

Not for Salvation, but sanctification they are blinded.

The answers on this form is; we must go beyond the Cross - the Cross has never done anything for me, but Jesus has - we must add the Resurrection to the Cross.

We are forgiven at the Cross and death is conquered at the Empty Tomb.

 

[EleventhHour]

I am not really responding to any particular post herein. Just want to raise a few questions and then let Scripture speak.

 

[Gregoryp]

You cannot say your saved, and you love Jesus, and then go off to Las Vegas gambling, take a line of cocaine, go to a pole dancers convention, then Sunday return to church to worship as nothing has happened. It doesn't and cannot work that way. "If you love me, then you will follow me, including my values, beliefs, ethics and morals".

 

[awelight]

Do you know anything about obedience to the Gospel?

The failure is on the part of those who fail to obey the Gospel.
But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom 10:16,17)

Looks like you know nothing about Gospel, since the Bible is very clear that Christ did for the sins of the whole world. Anyone who denies or disputes that goes into heresy.

You obviously took no real time to read anything in this post. You replied within just a couple of minutes. no one can read that fast and certainly no one can think it trough that quickly. Therefore, what I wrote really isn't for you, it is for the ones that the good Lord might have use it.

But as to your objection, please give us an explanation to these verses. What do they teach then?

(Mat 20:28) even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

Does this not limit the atonement that Christ is providing? Many and Sheep are a particular number and group are was our Lord confused when he said this? No blood, no atonement.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

We are forgiven at the Cross and death is conquered at the Empty Tomb.

Hebrews 2:14 teaches us that Satan was stripped of his power who had the power over death at the Cross when Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED!" Col. 2:14-15

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

You cannot say your saved, and you love Jesus, and then go off to Las Vegas gambling, take a line of cocaine, go to a pole dancers convention, then Sunday return to church to worship as nothing has happened. It doesn't and cannot work that way. "If you love me, then you will follow me, including my values, beliefs, ethics and morals".

“When Jesus heard it, He saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Mark 2:17

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

“When Jesus heard it, He saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Mark 2:17

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Your Word for Today

“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the House of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them who obey not the Gospel of God? And if the Righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? (I Pet. 4:17-18).

After the horror of 9/11/01, when the lives of some 4,000 Americans were snuffed out due to Muslim terrorism, two Preachers of my acquaintance were interviewed over Network Television. They were asked why the Lord allowed this to happen to America.

Their answer was most interesting! Both agreed, “It is because of the homosexuals and the abortionists in this nation!”

That is basely incorrect!

While the two sins mentioned definitely are abominable, as should be overly obvious, that is not the problem in this country. According to the Word of God, the problem is the “House of God.” The Church in America has failed, and failed miserably! The Gospel is little preached from behind fashionable pulpits. The Cross of Christ, the very heartbeat of Christianity, has been relegated to the dustbin of antiquated doctrines, no longer applicable, or so it is said, for this modern age.

What I have just said is, in effect, the same as what Jesus said: “Verily I say unto you, that the Publicans and the harlots go into the Kingdom of God before you” (Mat. 21:31). Jesus certainly wasn’t condoning the sins of thievery and harlotry. What He was saying was that while the publicans and the harlots would repent, or at least some of them would, the religious leaders of Israel would not repent (Mat. 21:32).

Judgment always begins with Believers, and pertains to their Faith, whether in the Cross or otherwise; the Cross alone is spared judgment, for there Jesus was judged in our place.

If God will judge His Own, how much more will He judge the unredeemed? The Cross alone stays the Judgment of God. That must ever be understood.

The modern Church in this country is little preaching the Gospel. If it was preaching the Gospel, i.e., “the Cross,” which, as stated, alone stays the Judgment of God, then this nation would escape much punishment, and could very well have escaped the horror of 9/11/01.

Because it is so important, let us say it again:

If the Church faithfully preaches the Cross, most Judgment can be spared, for there Jesus was judged in our place. If the Cross is little preached, the nation is opened up for Judgment, and that’s exactly what is happening! The Cross of Christ alone stands between man and eternal Hell. We must never forget that (Eph. 2:13-18; Gal. 6:14). “

— Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day”)
Donnie Swaggart

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Pastor Curtis

 

[Duskey]

Hebrews 2:14 teaches us that Satan was stripped of his power who had the power over death at the Cross when Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED!" Col. 2:14-15

Ok. It is finished. What’s your point?

 

[Duskey]

Hebrews 2:14 teaches us that Satan was stripped of his power who had the power over death at the Cross when Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED!" Col. 2:14-15

Yeah, and?

 

[Gregoryp]

 

[Nehemiah6]

But as to your objection, please give us an explanation to these verses. What do they teach then?

All Scripture must be interpreted in the light of ALL Gospel truth.

(Mat 20:28) even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

What the Lord is saying here is that his sacrificial work on the cross will be effective for "many" rather than "all". And this goes back to the obedience to the Gospel. Those who obey the Gospel will be saved, therefore His life will be a ransom for them. Those who disregard and disobey the Gospel will not be saved, even though His sacrifice is for all.

(John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

Since according to Scripture Christ is (a) the Good Shepherd, (b) the Great Shepherd, and (c) the Chief Shepherd, the children of God are regarded as His sheep. And those are again the ones who obeyed the Gospel. All others are excluded.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Ok. It is finished. What’s your point?

You stated that death was conquered at the Empty Tomb. That is not correct. It was done on the Cross. Hebrews 2:14, Col. 2:14-15

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You obviously took no real time to read anything in this post. You replied within just a couple of minutes. no one can read that fast and certainly no one can think it trough that quickly. Therefore, what I wrote really isn't for you, it is for the ones that the good Lord might have use it.

But as to your objection, please give us an explanation to these verses. What do they teach then?

(Mat 20:28) even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

Does this not limit the atonement that Christ is providing? Many and Sheep are a particular number and group are was our Lord confused when he said this? No blood, no atonement.

Same ole same ole

your pride is deep my friend. Until you humble yourself and stop acting like you know it all. Not many people will listen to you, probably only those who agree with you.

 

[EleventhHour]

You obviously took no real time to read anything in this post. You replied within just a couple of minutes. no one can read that fast and certainly no one can think it trough that quickly. Therefore, what I wrote really isn't for you, it is for the ones that the good Lord might have use it.

But as to your objection, please give us an explanation to these verses. What do they teach then?

(Mat 20:28) even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

Does this not limit the atonement that Christ is providing? Many and Sheep are a particular number and group are was our Lord confused when he said this? No blood, no atonement.

Oh i thought you were not answering particular posts?

You have yet to deal with John 3:16?

Is it because it refutes your ideology?

 

[throughfaith]

So true. Christ fulfilled everything OT scripture says of Him and especially that He gave His blood to save us from our sins. Sins are the breaking of the law.

So Jesus died to save us so we could save ourselves ??? huh ?
rom 4.15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Colossians 2:14-23

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
2 cor 5.19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Sin is no longer the problem . Glorification is the problem for unbelievers as the only access to the grace is to recieve Jesus . John 1.12 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
rom 5.2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You stated that death was conquered at the Empty Tomb. That is not correct. It was done on the Cross. Hebrews 2:14, Col. 2:14-15

The *power* of death was destroyed on the cross because the wages of sin were fully paid on the cross. However death was indeed conquered in the resurrection of Christ, since He could not be held in the tomb.

God and Christ deliberately allowed three days and three nights to elapse between the crucifixion and the resurrection, so that no one could suggest that Christ did not actually die. But He rose again victorious over death, and as a result the resurrection of the saints is also guaranteed. Jesus said "I am the Resurrection and the Life".