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Gerlinde24
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I don't want to log out, I want me or someone else to delete my account! I no longer waste my time with ignorant idiots who have no idea of the Bible or other matters of faith.
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Yes i call you a Murderer because you stand up for abortion and that is the right and moral stance to take.. You are a murderer of the innocent.. You can decide to either repent and seek the forgiveness of the LORD Jesus Christ on the issue or you can reject the truth and wind up facing the judgement of God.. That's up to you..
And your Dad will likewise face the judgement of God for his sin if he never repented and sought the forgiveness of the LORD Jesus Christ.. And why do you even mention the sins of your dad?? Are you trying to justify your evil by pointing out the evil of your dad?? Do you think two wrongs make a right??
Nope.. What ever evil we face in life does not justify the evil we have taken part in.. Being a former victim does not give anyone the right to be a victimizer.. Especially toward the innocent..
Yes they where guilty of taking the life of an innocent..
Yes she is guilty.. If someone walks up to me and slaps my face does that then give me the all clear to walk up to someone else in the streets beat them to the ground and stop their head in??? NO!! but that is the twisted evil logic your using here.. This person raped me so that makes it ok if i get this little one hacked to peaces.. NO that's Evil..
No..
You are Not justified in hating all men because some men sinned.. This is you being unjustifiably evil towards men who have not sinned against you or other woman..
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TheIndianGirl
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I am so sorry you experienced this. No person should have experienced this and live through this type of evil. Many people can empathize with your hatred of men with these examples. You should not worry too much about the abortion you had, or get too upset when people abruptly say that abortion is murder without compassion. They are going off talking points mainly for political reasons.
Even though I disagree with abortion being used as regular birth control since I believe an unborn child is nonetheless a child, and while I believe all abortions probably displease God, I believe and hope God will be understanding where women had abortions for reasons such as yours. People may steal because they are greedy, or because they are trying to feed their family. God looks at the heart.
A lot of us would not call you a murderer, actually. If you killed, you killed in self defense. Killing in self defense is NOT murder. Jesus kills His enemies and He isn't called murderer even though His robe is dripping with blood. You were driven up against the wall by chronic abuse, young, and not able to think straight, and would presume isolated and unable to get help in a different way, or not knowing how. There's also psychology of abuse going on. It's tragic that you were convicted for 20 years, they let pedophiles and rapists with a slap on the wrist, should the victim not get more understanding and milder treatment.
But that doesn't make abortion a "right" or of no consequence or nothing to answer to God for. It's violation of the laws of life. While your situation was specific, and you would be way less culpable aborting in such a situation, if you did, than someone who uses abortion as birth control, it is what it is. It's an immense mental and physical trauma to the woman that is then tucked away and it's terrible to live with it. We were simply not designed to kill life within us.
Instead of fighting for better situations, women settled with the "right" to murder their own children and live with this all their lives - when those around them aren't supportive and helpful when they end up pregnant. Killing one's own child is a horrible cross to carry. You don't seem to be at peace with the idea, either. And it's horrible that people put women and girls into that situation. Women need more support and help instead so abortion isn't the only choice that they see when they are scared and not even thinking straight.
My point is that it's not a great "choice" and not really helpful to the woman's health, mental or physical, although full gestation seems counterintuitive and more burden to the body, there are interesting medical facts on this that it's better for the body. Also if the woman does give birth and give the baby for adoption, 1. she will never have to feel any guilt for taking a life away, and 2. she has further choice in the future to reconnect with her child, if she wishes. Also I believe for all raped women that "morning after" hormonal treatment should be a standard response protocol so pregnancy doesn't take place (it would not prevent pregnancy for all women, but would for most), rather than only proposing invasive and traumatic abortion as solution.
Gerlinde24:
I wonder why you answered "unsure" to the question on your Profile Page as to Spiritual Status?
It seems fairly clear from your determined efforts here in justifying the killing of an unborn child which is against the Word of God that your are quite sure that you are not a Christian.
IF you are sincerely seeking to become a believer, then may I suggest you put more time and effort into reading and understanding the Word of God than Harry Potter books.
It's clear that you have gone to a lot of effort to amass ALL the arguments FOR abortion and against God. So much so, that I am wondering if this isn't your true intention in being here on CC? It's actually quite sad............may God forgive you for your disputation against His Word and in support of killing His beloved children.
I wonder why you answered "unsure" to the question on your Profile Page as to Spiritual Status?
It seems fairly clear from your determined efforts here in justifying the killing of an unborn child which is against the Word of God that your are quite sure that you are not a Christian.
IF you are sincerely seeking to become a believer, then may I suggest you put more time and effort into reading and understanding the Word of God than Harry Potter books.
It's clear that you have gone to a lot of effort to amass ALL the arguments FOR abortion and against God. So much so, that I am wondering if this isn't your true intention in being here on CC? It's actually quite sad............may God forgive you for your disputation against His Word and in support of killing His beloved children.
This VILE FICTION was created by a corrupted Supreme Court to sanction murder. It has been promoted over and over again, even though the scientific and biblical evidence says that the fetus -- AT CONCEPTION -- is a person.
This is similar to the way Hitler and Stalin decimated people. They were not persons as far as these monsters were concerned. But many have rightly said that in America and the Western world abortion is GENOCIDE since infanticide is genocide.
But that is not what God says, and it is clear from your posts that what God says is irrelevant.
"Miscarriage, also known as spontaneous abortion and pregnancy loss, is the natural death of an embryo or fetus before it is able to survive independently. ..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage
It is why I asked for the specific definition, so I do not have to guess, and get the run around with no definitive position.
" ... An ectopic pregnancy most often occurs in a fallopian tube, which carries eggs from the ovaries to the uterus. This type of ectopic pregnancy is called a tubal pregnancy. Sometimes, an ectopic pregnancy occurs in other areas of the body, such as the ovary, abdominal cavity or the lower part of the uterus (cervix), which connects to the vagina.
An ectopic pregnancy can't proceed normally. The fertilized egg can't survive, and the growing tissue may cause life-threatening bleeding, if left untreated. ..." - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ectopic-pregnancy/symptoms-causes/syc-20372088
Thus if it cannot survive, it will perish, and not come to full term or birth, and is thus a miscarriage in a differing manner, and will abort, or injure the carrier (mother) unto a possible death.
It is why I asked for the specific definition, so that I do not get the run around, and there is a standard foundational definition I can ask questions about so that those who say somethings as they have cannot shift positions as like unto fluid sand.
A woman, pregnant (say 7 months), is walking along the sidewalk, and a car driving by, at normal speed, has a tire blow, and the vehicle suddenly veers off of the road and hits the woman slightly, knocking her to the ground on her stomach. In a few days, after some complications, she loses the child (the pregnancy, the child, is aborted through natural processes due to the injury sustained).
Another woman, pregnant (6 weeks) walking up a flight of stairs, loses her balance and slips and falls a few steps. She loses the child (the pregnancy, the child, is aborted through natural means through the uteran opening).
Are these murder? Who has the sin? Who should be jailed?
"abortion [ah-bor´shun] termination of pregnancy before the fetus is viable." ... - https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/abortion
That termination can be induced, accident, genetic, & other. The term "abortion" is broad, and simply means, definitionally, "to cease, stop, come to end"
"Abortion" - Etymology
"1540s, "the expulsion of the fetus before it is viable," originally of deliberate as well as unintended miscarriages; from Latin abortionem (nominative abortio) "miscarriage; abortion, procuring of an untimely birth," noun of action from past-participle stem of aboriri "to miscarry, be aborted, fail, disappear, pass away," a compound word used in Latin for deaths, miscarriages, sunsets, etc., which according to OED is from ab, here as "amiss" (see ab-), + stem of oriri "appear, be born, arise" (see origin).
Meaning "product of an untimely birth" is from 1630s; earlier in this sense was abortive (early 14c.). Another earlier noun in English for "miscarriage" was abort (early 15c.). In the Middle English translation of Guy de Chauliac's "Grande Chirurgie" (early 15c.) Latin aborsum is used for "stillbirth, forced abortion." Abortment is attested from c. 1600; aborsement from 1530s, both archaic. Aborticide (1875) is illogical. Compare miscarriage." ... - https://www.etymonline.com/word/abortion
1828 Webster's:
"ABOR'TION, noun [Latin abortio, a miscarriage; usually deduced from ab and orior.]
1. The act of miscarrying, or producing young before the natural time, or before the fetus is perfectly formed.
2. In a figurative sense, any fruit or produce that does not come to maturity, or any thing which fails in its progress, before it is matured or perfect, as a design or project.
3. The fetus brought forth before it is perfectly formed." - http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/abortion
I rely upon facts. What are you referring to? Can you provide a definition to be questioned on?
The OP is the same person that said the Harry Potter books had "nothing to do with magic".
Also defends homosexuality, even suggesting the bible doesn't speak against it.
Speaks about other figures besides Jesus, with similar stories (thereby relegating Jesus as just another religious figurehead).
Claims to have worked for the NSA.
Joined the site consistently posting views contrary to common Christian beliefs, yet wants to play the victim when people disagree.
Living that troll life.
Also defends homosexuality, even suggesting the bible doesn't speak against it.
Speaks about other figures besides Jesus, with similar stories (thereby relegating Jesus as just another religious figurehead).
Claims to have worked for the NSA.
Joined the site consistently posting views contrary to common Christian beliefs, yet wants to play the victim when people disagree.
Living that troll life.
You mean this Supreme Court (Roe v Wade):
Favor:
Warren Burger (appointed by Richard Nixon) [Presbyterian]
William O. Douglas (appointed by Franklin D. Roosevelt) [Presbyterian]
Thurgood Marshall (appointed by Lyndon Johnson) [Episcopal]
Lewis Powell (appointed by Richard Nixon) [Presbyterian]
Potter Stewart (appointed by Dwight Eisenhower) [Episcopal]
Harry Blackmun (appointed by Richard Nixon) [Methodist]
William Joseph Brennan, Jr. (appointed by Dwight Eisenhower) [Catholic]
Dissenting:
Dissenting Opinion William Rehnquist (appointed by Ronald Reagan) [Lutheran (ELCA)]
Dissenting Opinion Byron White (appointed by John F. Kennedy) [Episcopal]
You frame everything just so, in order to support your own statement. More common situations are if a drunk driver hits a pregnant woman and the baby dies, yes, they are often held responsible for the murder of that baby.
If a man attacks a pregnant woman and she loses the baby, yes he can be charged for killing of the baby.
Trying to limit the questions to a very specific set of parameters doesn't prove anything.
And whether or not that driver can be convicted would have to be judged in court. It's not a simple no. Other factors have to be determined whether or not more could have been done.
There was a statement earlier about a "pot" and "kettle", but you might have to ask the person who stated it, what it meant.
Other than that, I can definitively quote:
"You frame everything just so, in order to support your own statement."
"Trying to limit the questions to a very specific set of parameters doesn't prove anything."
I am not attempting to "limit" anything. I expressly stated that the term "abortion" is "broad". It is those that say that "Abortion is murder", with no other considerations, that have the "limited" definition of what "abortion" means.
I want to know specifically what definition of the word "abortion" you are using so that I can ask further questions.
Another set of misused terms, really a Hegelian dialectic and propagandistic endeavor are the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice". I am neither.
I am "pro-bible".
I am "pro-bible".
Quoting from BBC is enough to show that you have NO CLUE about this , just like the BBC has no clue about the truth. They specialize in lies.
Lol, no kidding, but within the message we find truth. I take truth from scripture not the medical community. There are literally dozens of verses I can post if you need more evidence.
Genesis 19
35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
Genesis 38:25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.
Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
1 Samuel 4:19 And his daughter in law, Phinehas' wife, was with child, near to be delivered: and when she heard the tidings that the ark of God was taken, and that her father in law and her husband were dead, she bowed herself and travailed; for her pains came upon her.
You’re not a person in this sense because God is not through with you yet.
. You are on this board to argue but you are being given truth.It seems the OP is a person with serious past issues. Many that have been abused strike out with anger and then spend a lifetime justifying their actions, instead of falling to their knees seeking forgiveness from God.
Only the peace offered by Jesus can heal those wounds.
Only the peace offered by Jesus can heal those wounds.
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Gerlinde24
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May I ask you how intelligent you are, your answer suggests little intelligence, but a lot of stubbornly.
Legally, the term murder/murderer is very narrow. And abortion is not legally one of them. Not even in the Us, according to a Supreme Court decision.
And in the US and elsewhere, there is a separation between church and state. Those who ignore both ignore not only life, but also the right of man to self-determination. Don't tell me what To say, think, or do! I don't do it with you!
And in the US and elsewhere, there is a separation between church and state. Those who ignore both ignore not only life, but also the right of man to self-determination. Don't tell me what To say, think, or do! I don't do it with you!
Stupid people like you compare apples to pears because they are narrow-minded. They only see what they want to see, believe only what they want to believe without paying attention to facts.
Dear admins, please delete my account immediately, otherwise I have to vomit.
I can immediately give you a good hundred examples from my life. so men have done violence to me in one way or another. And, if I add the life of my mother and sister, I would come up with a thousand examples.
As you answer, only a three-legged (man) can answer, or a woman who crawls in the butt of men, as they say here in Germany.