By Works

[throughfaith]

Really? His first coming was for the "house of Israel".

Then his life, death, and resurrection were for "house of Israel" only? really?

No the programme changes when ISRAEL later rejects their messaih . Then in the book of Acts especially we see the transitions from Jews to Gentile to one body' jews and gentiles '

 

[Chester]

No the programme changes when ISRAEL later rejects their messaih . Then in the book of Acts especially we see the transitions from Jews to Gentile to one body' jews and gentiles '

So then his first coming was not just for the Jews - his life, death, and resurrection are for all mankind.

 

[Chester]

Your doctrine comes from covenant theology?

I think she said it comes from the Bible -

 

[Chester]

I mean abandon his faith

We come to Jesus by God''s grace through faith. We continue to be saved not because of the works we do, but because of God's grace through faith.

Just as I chose to put my faith in Jesus Christ, so it would be possible for me to choose to no longer believe in Jesus. God does not force people to believe in Him and serve Him. But He does woo us and love us and give us all that we need for life and godliness.

 

[throughfaith]

So then his first coming was not just for the Jews - his life, death, and resurrection are for all mankind.

What is your understanding of this verse ?
Mat 15.24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ??

 

[Chester]

The death of Christ begins the new testament.

Hebrews 9:16-17


16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Seems to me that the death of Christ is recorded in all of the Gospels.

Furthermore they were all four written after the death and resurrection of Jesus - and were written from the perspective of the writers living under the new covenant.

 

[Chester]

What is your understanding of this verse ?
Mat 15.24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ??

His initial and primary purpose was to his own people, the Jews. But even early in his ministry he also reached out to others such as the Samaritan woman.

 

[throughfaith]

His initial and primary purpose was to his own people, the Jews. But even early in his ministry he also reached out to others such as the Samaritan woman.

My point was who the sheep are that he is sent for . He is sent for the Lost SHEEP of ISRAEL . For us gentiles believing today , we are not the Lost sheep of the house of Israel .

 

[throughfaith]

His initial and primary purpose was to his own people, the Jews. But even early in his ministry he also reached out to others such as the Samaritan woman.

He fulfils the Purpose . And yes some gentiles along the way are touched by Jesus . But After Israel rejects their King and ultimately crucify Him . Then the kingdom programme is postponed to later fulfilment. The Jews and Gentiles into one body the church is a mystery revealed to Paul . Thats were we come in .

 

[throughfaith]

His initial and primary purpose was to his own people, the Jews. But even early in his ministry he also reached out to others such as the Samaritan woman.

Salvation is described in Rom 1 .16 / Romans 10.9 / 1 cor 15 .1-4 . Not the Acts of the Apostles .

 

[Chester]

Salvation is described in Rom 1 .16 / Romans 10.9 / 1 cor 15 .1-4 . Not the Acts of the Apostles .

No salvation then till Romans and Corinthians were written? Is that what you believe?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Really? His first coming was for the "house of Israel".

Then his life, death, and resurrection were for "house of Israel" only? really?

The answer to your two questions are; Yes, and yes.

The "house of Israel" is the house of Jacob, who represents the elect, Rom 9:6-16, from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. This harmonizes with Gen 33:28. The house of Israel (Jacob) has nothing to do with the whole nation of Israel.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God's doctrine is His word and I do my very best to live btwn the pages of instructions and commands He has given us.

I do not believe in OSAS, Calvinism,Mormonism,SDA,Jehovah witness,church of Christ,Baptist,Methodist,nor any denominal statement of faith nor Creed.

I believe in God,the Father,Jesus,the Son and the Holy Ghost.
I believe we must be born again by the Spirit by repenting,confessing and turning from sin.
I believe we must live within the instructions of God's word as our only source of doctrine.
I believe in a real heaven and a real hell.
Love the Lord our God and your neighbor as yourself as the two greatest commands given.
Be led of the Holy Spirit and not of the flesh in finding the paths He sets b4 us.

Walk in love being a good steward of the word towards God and our fellow man.

God's promises and blessings are real to those who walk in obedience.

I don't know what I may be called among Christendom but I pray that Jesus shines through me in love!

You may be called among Christendom, one who believes that eternal deliverance is gained by doing good works. Repenting, confessing and turning from sin are the works of a person that has already been regenerated.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What is your understanding of this verse ?
Mat 15.24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ??

The "sheep" are God's regenerated people, "the church". which is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 6:9. The "lost sheep" are not lost from their inheritance of eternal life, but are lost to the knowledge of God's righteousness, and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their good works. These are God's regenerated babes in Christ, and are the ones that Jesus directed his Apostles to go and preach to. The "house of Israel" is "the house of Jacob". Jacob's name was changed to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel, Gen 33:28.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

My point was who the sheep are that he is sent for . He is sent for the Lost SHEEP of ISRAEL . For us gentiles believing today , we are not the Lost sheep of the house of Israel .

Yes you are, unless you understand the true doctrine of Jesus, which only a few do.

 

[throughfaith]

No salvation then till Romans and Corinthians were written? Is that what you believe?

Why do you say that ?

 

[throughfaith]

The "sheep" are God's regenerated people, "the church". which is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 6:9. The "lost sheep" are not lost from their inheritance of eternal life, but are lost to the knowledge of God's righteousness, and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their good works. These are God's regenerated babes in Christ, and are the ones that Jesus directed his Apostles to go and preach to. The "house of Israel" is "the house of Jacob". Jacob's name was changed to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel, Gen 33:28.

Come on, now your just making stuff up lol 😆

 

[throughfaith]

Yes you are, unless you understand the true doctrine of Jesus, which only a few do.

Yes the secret knowledge that only those that have been awakened by that secret inner effectual call , call ,call !! . aka gnosctism.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Come on, now your just making stuff up lol 😆

I have given you scriptures, go and read it for yourself. Where is your defence scriptures, scripture proves scripture.

 

[Chester]

Why do you say that ?

Because you wrote this:

"Salvation is described in Rom 1 .16 / Romans 10.9 / 1 cor 15 .1-4 . Not the Acts of the Apostles . "

If salvation is not "described" in Acts, but is described in Romans and I Corinthians, then I assume you meant that everything in Acts that describes how the early church lived is not "salvation".

But I didn't want to assume and that idea seems far fetched to me, so I asked . . .?