Eternal Security - Most dangerous words ever preached: Once saved, always saved.
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I think it comes down to a combination of factors for sure and how hard they push the heresy.
Having stated this we are not supposed to discuss banning if I recall.
Having stated this we are not supposed to discuss banning if I recall.
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The law is written on the believers heart under the new covenant. Under the new covenant the Holy Spirit is put into us. The combination of the two, working together brings to mind those instances we are out of line. We repent based on His leading. If your conscience is clean, having obeyed the Lord when He has brought conviction then you have nothing to worry about. Do not quench the Spirit.
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Interesting questions. Seemingly, you have the answer. No matter what your opinion is , “millions” of believers are wrong and you are right. God does save through His “goodness and mercy“ and this an ongoing inclusive offer. He wants us in with him. Once you are born again , you are in. It’s not a “now I can become even more holy”, proposition. If we’re holy enough to be in, through Him we are holy enough to stay. Peace to you.
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Matthew 13:24-30 KJV
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Keeping to the hush hush on the B word thing, is there a post somewhere that informs people who consider registering, or who are already here, as to what can and cannot be discussed?
Last year I briefly joined what I thought was a Christian forum, open to all in Christ. I was banned without warning or notice, PM or email, and later found out the site was a dedicated zealous Calvinists community. No warning or, "about this site" type stuff. No, "what we believe". Just, BANNED! , when I went to commit a post to the board. I was clueless until I did a little investigating.
Last year I briefly joined what I thought was a Christian forum, open to all in Christ. I was banned without warning or notice, PM or email, and later found out the site was a dedicated zealous Calvinists community.
No warning or, "about this site" type stuff. No, "what we believe". Just, BANNED! , when I went to commit a post to the board. I was clueless until I did a little investigating.-
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Free will is one of the greatest lies of the devil. Only God has a free will. Our will is either subservient to God's will are He is not God or to the will of the sin nature. If we say it is not subservient to the sin nature, we make God a liar and the truth is not in us. For only God through the New Birth, which is regeneration, can free us from the power of sin. If we say our will is Greater than God's will, then we attempt to make ourselves a god. If you do not believe that God overrules the will and plans of man, then all I can say to you, as kindly as I can, you need to do a lot more Scripture study. Here are just a few to examine, Ex. 10:1, Pr. 21:1 and 15:28.
I am not sure what your point is in relationship to my post. However I would say to you, how do you know that the ones being chastised are loved by God? God does not love everyone. If He did, then no one would be condemned to hell, all would be saved. Don't forget what Paul said In Rom. 9:17,18 and again in Rom. 9:13-15. As far as God chastising His own, it is for their own good, so that we may grow in grace and truth.
I didn't say that we did not have a will, just that it is not "free"
I didn't say that we did not have a will, just that it is not "free"
Just a reminder of discerning the Lord’s Body. You will not lose your soul, but sickness and a premature death will take place.
“23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you (refers to the instructions he is about to give concerning the Lord’s Supper), That the Lord Jesus the same night in which He was betrayed took bread (recalls the sacred occasion):
24 And when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, Take, eat (the remarkable thing about this is the interpretation our Lord gives): this is My Body, which is broken for you (is meant to symbolize the Death of Christ on the Cross): this do in remembrance of Me. (This pertains to the Believer actually partaking of that Sacrifice by Faith. In brief, this is the meaning of the New Covenant.)
25 After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, This cup is the New Testament in My Blood (the New Covenant would be ratified by the shedding of Jesus’ Own Blood, which forever satisfied the sin debt): this do you, as oft as you drink it, in remembrance of Me (never forgetting what He has done for us, speaking of the Cross).
26 For as often as you eat this bread, and drink this cup (symbolic gestures), you do show the Lord’s death till He come. (This is meant to proclaim not only the Atoning Sacrifice necessary for our Salvation, but as well as an ongoing cause of our continued victory in life.)
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily (tells us emphatically that this can be done, and is done constantly, I’m afraid), shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord (in danger of Judgment, subject to Judgment).
28 But let a man examine himself (examine his Faith as to what is its real object), and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup (after careful examination).
29 For he who eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself (does not necessarily mean the loss of one’s soul, but rather temporal penalties, which can become much more serious), not discerning the Lord’s Body. (Not properly discerning the Cross refers to a lack of understanding regarding the Cross. All of this tells us that every single thing we have from the Lord, comes to us exclusively by means of the Cross of Christ. If we do not understand that, we are not properly “discerning the Lord’s Body.”)
30 For this cause (not properly discerning the Lord’s Body) many (a considerable number) are weak and sickly among you (the cause of much sickness among Christians), and many sleep. (This means that many Christians die prematurely. They don’t lose their souls, but they do cut their lives short. This shows us, I seriously think, how important properly understanding the Cross is.).
31 For if we would judge ourselves (we should examine ourselves constantly, as to whether our Faith is properly placed in the Cross of Christ), we should not be judged (with sickness, and even premature death).
32 But when we are judged (by the Lord, because we refuse to judge ourselves), we are chastened of the Lord (Divine discipline), that we should not be condemned with the world (lose our soul).” 1 Cor. 13:23-32
JSM
“23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you (refers to the instructions he is about to give concerning the Lord’s Supper), That the Lord Jesus the same night in which He was betrayed took bread (recalls the sacred occasion):
24 And when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, Take, eat (the remarkable thing about this is the interpretation our Lord gives): this is My Body, which is broken for you (is meant to symbolize the Death of Christ on the Cross): this do in remembrance of Me. (This pertains to the Believer actually partaking of that Sacrifice by Faith. In brief, this is the meaning of the New Covenant.)
25 After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, This cup is the New Testament in My Blood (the New Covenant would be ratified by the shedding of Jesus’ Own Blood, which forever satisfied the sin debt): this do you, as oft as you drink it, in remembrance of Me (never forgetting what He has done for us, speaking of the Cross).
26 For as often as you eat this bread, and drink this cup (symbolic gestures), you do show the Lord’s death till He come. (This is meant to proclaim not only the Atoning Sacrifice necessary for our Salvation, but as well as an ongoing cause of our continued victory in life.)
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily (tells us emphatically that this can be done, and is done constantly, I’m afraid), shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord (in danger of Judgment, subject to Judgment).
28 But let a man examine himself (examine his Faith as to what is its real object), and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup (after careful examination).
29 For he who eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself (does not necessarily mean the loss of one’s soul, but rather temporal penalties, which can become much more serious), not discerning the Lord’s Body. (Not properly discerning the Cross refers to a lack of understanding regarding the Cross. All of this tells us that every single thing we have from the Lord, comes to us exclusively by means of the Cross of Christ. If we do not understand that, we are not properly “discerning the Lord’s Body.”)
30 For this cause (not properly discerning the Lord’s Body) many (a considerable number) are weak and sickly among you (the cause of much sickness among Christians), and many sleep. (This means that many Christians die prematurely. They don’t lose their souls, but they do cut their lives short. This shows us, I seriously think, how important properly understanding the Cross is.).
31 For if we would judge ourselves (we should examine ourselves constantly, as to whether our Faith is properly placed in the Cross of Christ), we should not be judged (with sickness, and even premature death).
32 But when we are judged (by the Lord, because we refuse to judge ourselves), we are chastened of the Lord (Divine discipline), that we should not be condemned with the world (lose our soul).” 1 Cor. 13:23-32
JSM
You can quote John 3:16 all you like nut you must harmonize the rest of Scripture. God so loved the world in What way? Who is the world? World is often used in Scripture to represent a limited group. Search the Scriptures on the use of the word Kosmos (world).
Oh and since I am a little off target for this thread. I to believe in eternal security for our Lord's true sheep.
Oh and since I am a little off target for this thread. I to believe in eternal security for our Lord's true sheep.