Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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yes Jesus has saved everyone from their sins . Thats my point . But no one is Glorified without receiving the atonement. Without receiving Jesus Christ .
Once you remove the Calvinist assumption that the ' elect 's salvation was secured at the cross there is no problem.
General grace is given to all but only believers can see and realize that it is Grace.
By seeing this Grace the believer is drawn irresistibly to God.
Unbelievers don't even realize it is Gods Grace. Because they don't believe in God and they don't believe in Grace.
Everyone! IS saved from their sins as Jesus has paid for ALL sins .
Mat 13.44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Notice he buys the entire field .
We go tell people that Jesus has died for them but unless they Recieve Him they will not be saved .
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Doesn't this say that a person HAS TO believe in Christ in order to be free from the law of sin and death???
The reason they are under condemnation and death is because of the law of sin and death.
Only the Atonement saves anyone from their sins. That's why you need to study Atonement.
This contradicts Scripture. "The Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is in fact the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is given as a gift to THE UNSAVED only when they repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38) [Note: it is repentance that is for the remission of sins, and water baptism follows]
This was said after the Gospel was preached to unsaved Jews in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost, and it has never changed. After this the saints are "in Christ" and also have the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Calvinism simply disregards the power of the Gospel and the power of the accompanying Holy Spirit to bring sinners to the Savior.
Indeed Calvinism distorts the Gospel completely, as we have seen by comparing the commentaries of Calvin to his theology.
So Jesus was joking when He offered the rich, young ruler a chance to be His disciple?
I reiterate, Jesus offered the rich young man the opportunity to become a disciple and receive eternal life. The young man declined of his own free will. What don’t you understand about that?
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Why would God give "general grace" to all then since they cannot believe?
Sounds like a fickle God to me.
As well, "regeneration precedes belief" in Calvinism.. are you now saying you do not concur with this?
Here I will help you, this is what you should have typed...
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And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have NOW received the atonement. Rom 5 .11
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Agree the Gospel is devoid of its power..... scripture no where teaches regeneration precedes faith.
Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 5:2
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Ephesians 1:13
Hearing the voice and given the power to believe are two different things. The last thing profits as believing the vision hearing of faith or revelation made known It is necessary.
Tasting people who once learned the truth, received God’s gift, and shared in the Holy Spirit. If they deny the "eternity" of the gift. Can we make them change their minds. . . if the Spirt did not do the work?? .Or do we continue to pray and fast that Christ be formed in them as it was in Timothy, when Paul did the work of offering the gospel, sufferings in pains of anticipation(born again) ?
No, its say the ones that were given the power of faith working in their new hearts, "believed God" No power comes from the corrupted flesh of mankind. Can't offer dead works (the sufferings of the first death) offered towards God .Christ offered that with his first born among men the Son of man Jesus the apostle and High Priest. .
Christians begin with no faith, zero. Not little like given to the apostles so they could believe. The first experience of his labor of love working in these bodies of death. Making our load lighter as we do rest with him by his labor of love called a work of His faith.
Just as we listen to the father or Jesus listened to the father?
The no man CAN come in that verse is "mankind" the corrupted powerless kind. You could say the inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ can come having the power of the father. . If any man has not the Spirt of Christ they are not of Christ, but are men dead in their trespasses and sins, Outward, what the eyes not Jews . They mankind have no living faith, not little. . . . none, zero.
Romans 2:28 For he (mankind) is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
A Jew is simply another word for a born again believer like the word Christian or Israel. One bride one gospel
The verses in the garden, the father the power and son suffering unto death working as one it is "stage one" of the three day demonstration of two working as one . The cross, stage two follows and the tomb, stage three of that three day demonstration
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