The Rapture Thief Robs Jesuit Futurism Of The 7 Years Of Tribulation

[Phoneman-777]

"...but pray that you be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of God "

I do that regularly.
The inference is that....no pray,no escape.

Hmmm...that dynamic in no way would apply to postrib rapturists.

It absolutely can apply, if we just don't subjectively demand that "escape" must involve "evasive maneuvers", right or wrong? When an employee "escapes" a round of budget layoffs, does anyone have to drag him out of the way of anything? Likewise, those who pray will "escape" the coming time of trouble which will befall wicked:

"A thousand shall fall at thy side and ten thousand at thy right hand, but it shall not come nigh thee.
Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see
the reward of the wicked."​

 

[Phoneman-777]

Jesus said "I go to prepare a place for you...I my fathers kingdom."

And he went.

"I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again until I do it anew with you in my fathers kingdom"

Hmmm...in no way do postribs belive that

We don't?

 

[Gregoryp]

just remember, the bible is full of symbolism , metaphors and sometimes images or scenes are created to appease mankind. Like for example the idea that being naked is shameful. It isn't. It was stated like that to appease mankind , as MAN perceives nudity to be shameful, so therefore we use it. Just one example . So the mention of robes etc is symbolism, and is saying that when we are covered with a perfect robe, God has sanctified us, and all past transgressions are covered over/Forgotten.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The bible says EXACTLY OPPOSITE when the ac takes power...EXACTLY OPPOSITE.

Rev 7;13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

See that? No protection...all murdered.

Where exactly does it say in verses 13-17 the ones in white robes were "murdered"? I think you're reading that into the text.

Rev 15
1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

See that BEFORE THE PLAGUES...THE AC KILLS THEM.
Victory over the ac through death....no protection

Where does it say victory over the Antichrist "through death"? I think you're reading that into the text.

Here are they again:
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

See that? No protection. All murdered. [/QUOTE] You do realize that the Papal Beast has been chopping people's heads off since its inception in 538 A.D., right, and will likely commence to do so again soon. Christians have been suffering persecution since time immemorial, but when death decree goes forth, then the GREAT TRIBULATION begins which is the 7 Last Plagues in which no believer will die, for it will be of no use to God at that time when all will have made their decision.

Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

NO PROTECTION...ALL MURDERED. BY AC

Yep, Tyndale, Huss, Ridley, Latimer, and Cramner were among the MILLIONS who were killed by the Papal Beast.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The Preterist view was unheard of until 16th century Jesuit Alcazar presented as a diversion tactic against the Reformation. No ECFs said Jesus came back; to the contrary, they wrote about future fulfillment of things like the fall of the Restrainer and rise of Antichrist.

Would you please quit with the Jesuit stuff! You're just repeating the apologetics created from those whose teachings you have adopted. It's like you're reading a script. I did not learn about the fact that the church must be gathered prior to God's wrath, but came to my conclusions purely from scripture. It is a very simple deduction:

* The wrath of God is coming upon this earth in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

* Believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath because Jesus suffered it, satisfying it completely

In John 14:1-3, Jesus promises His disciples and all believers, that He is going to the Father's house to prepare places for us and that He will come again a take us to the Father's house to the places that He prepared, so that where He is we may be also. I Thess.4:13-18 is a detailed account of John 14:1-3 when Jesus descends to the atmosphere and calls up His church, dead and living. This event must and will take place prior to the opening of the first seal which initiates God's wrath

OK, this is so easily shot down. Daniel mentions the 2,300 Days only after the Ram and He Goat have passed off the stage of history-

Your error is putting Daniel in chronological order. Back in Daniel 2, which is prior to the information in Daniel 11, He interprets Nebuchadnezzar's dream regarding the image which represents the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo/Persia, Greece, Rome and the later revived or extended ten-toed kingdom of Rome made of partly backed clay and iron. My point being that, Daniel is not chronological, but skips from time period to time period to time period.

I'm not even going to bother giving an answer to anything more, because you, like so many others, have been indoctrinated into many false teachings. You're going to have to find out the truth the hard way by experiencing it first hand. So, the following is what is going to take place:

* We are here

* Jesus descends to the air and will gather His church which is always imminent

* That ruler (antichrist) will make a seven year covenant with Israel initiating that last seven years of the seventy sevens

* The emergence of the antichrist is represented by the opening of the first seal rider on the white horse, with the rest of the seals, trumpets and bowls of God wrath being carried out throughout the entire seven years

* In the middle of the seven years the abomination (idolatrous image) will be set up in the holy place within the new temple, which causes the desolation of Israel where she will flee out into the wilderness and be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, as mentioned in Matt.24:15-22 and Rev.12:6, 14.

* After the 7th bowl has been poured out which completes God's wrath, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age with the church following Him out of heaven, which are those who will have previously been resurrected and caught up, riding on white horses and wearing her fine linen white and clean which she will have received in heaven at the wedding of the Lamb as revealed in Rev.19:6-8

* The beast (the horn of Daniel speaking boastful words) and the false prophet will be captured and the two of them will be cast into the lake of fire alive (Rev.19:20)

* All of the wicked who will have worshipped the beast, his image and received his mark, will be killed by the double-edged sword which will proceed from the mouth of the Lord, which is figuratively representing the word of God (Heb.4:12, Eph.6:14, Rev.19:21).

* Satan will be seized and thrown into and sealed up in the Abyss during the Lord's thousand year kingdom so that he cannot deceive the nations during that time

* Those great tribulation saints who will have died during the tribulation will be resurrected, they belonging to the first resurrection. And they, along with the church and the 144,000 will rule with Christ during that thousand years. (Rev.2:26, 12:5 and 20:4-6)

* Millennial kingdom

* Satan will be released from the Abyss at the end of the thousand years (Rev.20:7)

* Satan will deceive the nations one last time who surround Jerusalem and will be killed by fire from God out of heaven (Rev.20:9)

* Satan cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown, where they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

* All of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history will be resurrected, their spirits being released from Hades, where they will stand before God at the great white throne judgment to be judged for every sin they committed and then thrown into the lake of fire.

* New heaven, new earth, New Jerusalem

* Eternity ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

Since you are bent on believing the false teachings of men, I will not continue in this debate, as you are just repeating their teachings.

You will know that all that I told you was the truth when you see the church removed from the earth, followed by that antichrist making his seven year covenant with Israel, which will allow them to build their temple.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yes, when Jesus appears visibly, gloriously, experientially, and cacophonically in the clouds as the Lord's shout, voice, and trumpet all sound at His Second Coming, that is when the "rapture" of the saints happens, according to 1 Thess. 4:14-18, right or wrong?

NO! Pay attention! There are two events:

Prior to God's wrath
1). Jesus descends to the air and calls up the dead first resurrecting them. Immediately after that, the living are changed and caught up

After God's wrath
2). Jesus along with the church and the angels, will return to the earth to end the age

The church cannot go through the wrath of God, because Jesus already experienced it. God's wrath no longer rests upon those who believe in His Son. Therefore, the church must be removed from the earth prior to the first seal being opened which initiates God's wrath.

 

[PlainWord]

Well, the prophecy DID say the Beast was going to receive a deadly wound after it ruled for a "time, times, and half a time" which is Biblically synonymous with "3 1/2 years" or "1,260" days...which is, of course, prophetically symbolic for 1,260 literal years. Did not the Papacy commence its reign in 538 A.D. and receive a deadly wound from the sword of France 1,260 years later in 1798?

Right now, we're in the "healing" of the wound stage, and the opposite is true....the Papacy is gaining popularity like never before. The communist fake news in American is enamored with this far left lunatic sitting in the Vatican. Pedophilia, as we have seen, is no reason to stigmatize anyone today; it's rapidly becoming a badge of honor among the elites of the world. The Ecumenical movement is exploding in all directions. "Catholics Come Home" campaigns are everywhere...and I'll let you in on a little secret: The Papacy controls everything through its global network of Luciferian secret societies to which the most influential leaders in global politics, economics, and religions belong.

Where does it say that the Beast was going to receive a deadly wound after it ruled for a "time, times, and half a time?" Are you combining Dan 7 with Rev 13? Why are you taking 1,260 days the time of the 2 witnesses and the time the Woman was protected and equating them with the ruling of the beast.

As I explained before the Beast with the 7 heads, one which received a mortal wound, was the Roman Empire and it's first 7 Caesars. Nero received the mortal wound without naming a successor thus Rome entered a brutal and bloody civil war during the year of the 4 emperors. At the height of it's strength, the beast appeared dead. Under Vespasian, the 7th head, the empire was restored. This idea of turning days into years here is not supported.

 

[PlainWord]

The Preterist view was unheard of until 16th century Jesuit Alcazar presented as a diversion tactic against the Reformation. No ECFs said Jesus came back; to the contrary, they wrote about future fulfillment of things like the fall of the Restrainer and rise of Antichrist.

I already showed you several cases where ECFs not only claimed that Christ returned but that He raised His disciples from the dead. Ignatius states this. Then I showed you a passage from Eusebius where he states the great tribulation was the War with Rome, both are key preterist points. So you are wrong about this. The Jesuits, assuming they believe as you say, must have dusted off the early beliefs of the ECFs.

That is total subjectivity and completely non-sequitur! Those who went on to form the SDA church learned from their misinterpretation of prophecy, just as the three Gospel writers righted their wrongs.

Apparently they didn't learn enough because the SDA view of eschatology is still incorrect.

OK, this is so easily shot down..Daniel mentions the 2,300 Days only after the Ram and He Goat have passed off the stage of history - it is the "Little Horn" who attacks horizontally (Pagan Rome) and then finally tramples the Heavenly Sanctuary underfoot by attacking vertically (PAPAL ROME) and taking to itself Christ's Ministry of Intercession, thus making necessary the "cleansing of the Sanctuary" at the end of the 2,300 years.

Again, the 2300 are not years and they weren't days. They were evenings and mornings which coincided with the sacrifices lost when Antiochus ordered sacrifices to God to stop. Thus they were 1150 days. Dan 8:23 says that in the latter time of the Greece Kingdom, a king will arise. This was Antiochus. He fits all the descriptions of vs. 23-25 perfectly.

What mistake? They were spot on accurate in their association of the Papacy with Antichrist. What is a mistake is ignoring where Daniel says a beast is a "kingdom" , not a man, and certainly not Nero.

I didn't know that there was any Christian who didn't recognize the 4th beast of Dan 7 as the Roman Empire. The fact that you don't understand this is shocking to me.

Antiochus the Chump was not the "Little Horn" because he:
1. HE IS NOT A "HORN": A "horn" is clearly and undeniably a "kingdom" in prophecy, not a man.
2. WAS NOT "EXCEEDING GREAT":

• he was mocked and disrespected by his contemporaries as "Epimanes" ("crazy man")
• he was little more than mediocre on the battlefield (which is why he took his frustrations out of the Jews)
• he and his army were chased out of Egypt by a handful of Roman emissaries and their scant Imperial guard
• he paled in comparison to the border expansions of Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome
• sacrificing a pig on the alter is nothing...Nebuchadnezzer and Titus slaughtered HUMANS in the temple, so which abomination is worse?

3. HE AROSE TOO EARLY: the Little Horn was to arise during the"latter times" of the Seleucid Empire, not midway
4. NO 2,300 DAYS SUSPENSION: he suspended temple services well short of the required 2,300 days
5. THE LITTLE HORN WAS TO COME FORTH FROM THE FOUR WINDS, NOT HORNS: He is misconceived to have arisen out of the Seleucid "horn" due to the erroneous interpretation that "out of one of them came forth a Little Horn" means "out of one of the horns", because rules regarding noun/pronoun gender agreement as well as noun/pronoun antecedents demand that the "them" refer to "winds", not "horns," which means the Little Horn arose from one of the "four winds" or "four directions of the compass" which would be "West" from where Rome lies and which continues the "East-to-West" movement of prophecy, beginning at Babylon. Bon appetit

Wow, what a joke. Consider your lunch mine. In fact I'll be taking your lunch money all week. Even Ahwatukee has this right and he isn't right about anything!!

1. The horn is clearly defined as a king, and not a kingdom as we see twice in Dan 7:

21 And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.

24 The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings.

2. The text doesn't say Antiochus was exceedingly great, this is what it says:

9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host...

Verse 11 says that the little horn would “set itself up to be as great as the Prince of the host[.]” Concerning this blasphemous arrogance in fulfillment of v. 9, 2 Maccabees 9:12 records Antiochus Epiphanies own dying words as follows: “It is right to be subject to God, and no mortal should think that he is equal to God."

In this verse, the reader is told that this horn grew in power to the south, to the east and toward Israel, the Beautiful land. The directions in which this horn grew represent Antiochus’ conquest south to Egypt and east to Babylon and Persia. Amid these triumphs, Israel did not escape.

In 167 B.C., Antiochus’ army promised to peaceably entered Jerusalem (1 Maccabees 1:29-32). Then once inside, they suddenly attacked. Here one can see how in fulfillment of v. 23 Antiochus Epiphanies was a “master of intrigue.” Having killed a great multitude (80,000), the Greeks plundered the city then set it on fire. Caught off guard, the people of Jerusalem fled. Shortly thereafter, Antiochus issued a decree forbidding Temple sacrifices to Yahweh. With the Jews gone and the city now overrun with Greek soldiers, Temple sacrifice ceased. Then on the 25th day of Chislev, the Greeks offered a desolating sacrifice above the Temple altar. Hearing what had happened in Jerusalem, some Jewish rebels conspired to take back the city. After a long, bitter war, the Jews finally took back Jerusalem. And exactly three years after the abomination that causes desolation, the Jewish people offered a lamb to God and once again continued the daily sacrifice.

3. We aren't talking about the Seleucid Empire which began in 312 BC and officially ended in 63 BC. We are talking about the Greek Empire, the Hellenistic period, which most consider ended when the heartland of Greece fell in 146 BC to Rome following the Achaean War. Sure the Seleucid Empire continued after Antiochus, but it was badly degraded and never the same. In 141 BC they lost Persis to the Parthians. In 83 BC most the the Seleucids were destroyed by Tigranes II.

4. It isn't 2300 days, it is 1,150 days. The 2,300 were evenings and mornings.

5. Wrong again. The little horn comes out of the four notable ones, not from one of the four winds. "Four Winds" simple means from all directions.

8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came a little horn...

 

[GaryA]

Rapture bonds, LOVE IT!! There has to be a way to cash in on their foolishness and deception.

To do so would be the epitome of worldly greed in the spirit of antichrist. For a Christian to capitalize on the ignorance of anyone is the very height of foolishness and self-deception concerning the love of God and the commandments of Christ - the exact opposite of the knowledge, understanding, and wisdom that is in Christ.

I know you guys are just joking around; however, no true born-again Christian would ever actually seriously think up or consider such a thing.

 

[PlainWord]

Barnabas 16:1
Moreover I will tell you likewise concerning the temple, how these
wretched men being led astray set their hope on the building, and not
on their God that made them, as being a house of God.

Barnabas 16:2
For like the Gentiles almost they consecrated Him in the temple. But
what saith the Lord abolishing the temple? Learn ye. Who hath
measured the heaven with a span, or hath measured the earth with
his hand? Have not I, saith the Lord? The heaven is My throne and
the earth the footstool of My feet. What manner of house will ye
build for Me? Or what shall be my resting place? Ye perceive that
their hope is vain.

Barnabas 16:3
Furthermore He saith again; Behold they that pulled down this
temple themselves shall build it.

Barnabas 16:4
So it cometh to pass; for because they went to war it was pulled down
by their enemies. Now also the very servants of their enemies shall
build it up.

Barnabas 16:5
Again, it was revealed how the city and the temple and the people of
Israel should be betrayed. For the scripture saith; And it shall be
in the last days, that the Lord shall deliver up the sheep of the
pasture and the fold and the tower thereof to destruction. And it
came to pass as the Lord spake.

We see again that the early church believed they were in the last days and they were in the last days of their country and Mosaic age.

 

[PlainWord]

To do so would be the epitome of worldly greed in the spirit of antichrist. For a Christian to capitalize on the ignorance of anyone is the very height of foolishness and self-deception concerning the love of God and the commandments of Christ - the exact opposite of the knowledge, understanding, and wisdom that is in Christ.

I know you guys are just joking around; however, no true born-again Christian would ever actually seriously think up or consider such a thing.

Correct Gary, we were joking around. Besides, they aren't going anywhere.

 

[GaryA]

I already showed you where one of the earliest ECF wrote that Christ returned. Ignatius wrote it down in his letter to the Mangesians.

I think it is quite interesting - the combinations of things that people believe - in a seemingly random mix-and-match fashion...

I agree with you on some things.
I agree with @Phoneman-777 on some things.
I agree with @Absolutely on some things.

And, of course, others as well.

And, of course, it all makes sense to me.

And, you and others are different but in the same way.

Let me tell you one of the things I believe - and, hope that you will seriously consider it:

As a rule - and, a very firm one at that - I place no confidence at all in any writings from anyone who was/is connected - especially heavily connected - with Catholicism. I [basically and essentially] consider anything-and-everything that comes out of Catholicsm to be - at the very least - "tainted by Satan" (because, he is and has always been in control of Catholicism - which, as you know, I call "Satan's false church on the earth") - not of the truth - and my level of trust in such writings might be comparable to the phrase "hostile witness" used in court proceedings.

Nor do I consider such people from the past part of the group of true Early Church Fathers - for, they were not part of the true Early Church.

Indeed, they are a "hostile witness" with regard to the facts of history.

What if some of the things you are reading are simply [historical] lies?

You might do well my friend to consider the possibility that a lot of the things you are reading are actually part of a web of lies woven by Satan in the early years of the Church to "throw off" its [true] members from the truth.

Please think about this with prayer and fasting...

 

[PlainWord]

I think it is quite interesting - the combinations of things that people believe - in a seemingly random mix-and-match fashion...

I agree with you on some things.
I agree with @Phoneman-777 on some things.
I agree with @Absolutely on some things.

And, of course, others as well.

And, of course, it all makes sense to me.

And, you and others are different but in the same way.

Let me tell you one of the things I believe - and, hope that you will seriously consider it:

As a rule - and, a very firm one at that - I place no confidence at all in any writings from anyone who was/is connected - especially heavily connected - with Catholicism. I [basically and essentially] consider anything-and-everything that comes out of Catholicsm to be - at the very least - "tainted by Satan" (because, he is and has always been in control of Catholicism - which, as you know, I call "Satan's false church on the earth") - not of the truth - and my level of trust in such writings might be comparable to the phrase "hostile witness" used in court proceedings.

Nor do I consider such people from the past part of the group of true Early Church Fathers - for, they were not part of the true Early Church.

Indeed, they are a "hostile witness" with regard to the facts of history.

What if some of the things you are reading are simply [historical] lies?

You might do well my friend to consider the possibility that a lot of the things you are reading are actually part of a web of lies woven by Satan in the early years of the Church to "throw off" its [true] members from the truth.

Please think about this with prayer and fasting...

Are you placing Ignatius of Antioch in that category Gary? He was martyred for his faith under Trajan. His statement that the Lord came and raised the disciples is constant with Christ's own words and the expectation that all the disciples held that the Lord would return to their generation on the last day of their age, just before the war with Rome.

 

[Absolutely]

Yes, when Jesus appears visibly, gloriously, experientially, and cacophonically in the clouds as the Lord's shout, voice, and trumpet all sound at His Second Coming, that is when the "rapture" of the saints happens, according to 1 Thess. 4:14-18, right or wrong?

Rev 14 has jesus on a cloud gathering ripe fruit DURING THE GT

 

[Absolutely]

Yes, when Jesus appears visibly, gloriously, experientially, and cacophonically in the clouds as the Lord's shout, voice, and trumpet all sound at His Second Coming, that is when the "rapture" of the saints happens, according to 1 Thess. 4:14-18, right or wrong?

Nope.

Your model has the dead rising after the living are harvested during the gt in rev 14.

So your model has the dead rising after the living.

So many poorly thought out dynamics to the postrib rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

Where exactly does it say in verses 13-17 the ones in white robes were "murdered"? I think you're reading that into the text.

they are in heaven during the gt.

Murdered would be one way
raptured another.

So you just made a case for a pretrib rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

Where does it say victory over the Antichrist "through death"? I think you're reading that into the text.

"..they overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives unto death."
They were killed.....it says "unto death"
The only correlation we see in the anti christ with believers is murder.
You take the mark or die......that is all.

Once that sinks in.....there is no room for some postrib rapture. The last group taken is rev 14 (jesus on a cloud)

 

[GaryA]

"..they overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives unto death."
They were killed.....it says "unto death"
The only correlation we see in the anti christ with believers is murder.
You take the mark or die......that is all.

Once that sinks in.....there is no room for some postrib rapture. The last group taken is rev 14 (jesus on a cloud)

Let this sink in --- Revelation 14:16 is talking about the Rapture and Revelation 14:19 is talking about everyone else (who is left after the Rapture) being "thrown into" the 'Wrath of God'.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Let this sink in --- Revelation 14:16 is talking about the Rapture and Revelation 14:19 is talking about everyone else (who is left after the Rapture) being "thrown into" the 'Wrath of God'.

It would appear that from verse 7 to verse 20, that we are seeing visions of God's judgments -- "for the hour [time] of His judgment has come".

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (v 7)

Which would exclude the Rapture from these scenes. Indeed the Rapture has taken place long before this time. The Rapture of the Church is not really mentioned in Revelation, even though some try to interpret Rev 4:1 in that way. At the Rapture it is not "the harvest of the earth" that is reaped but the "harvest of the Church" that is summoned up by the lat trump, or the trump of God.

 

[PlainWord]

Nope.

Your model has the dead rising after the living are harvested during the gt in rev 14.

So your model has the dead rising after the living.

So many poorly thought out dynamics to the postrib rapture.

Where in Rev 14 does it say those reaped were living? Consider the analogy, the believers being reaped are harvested. This is identical to Jesus' lesson in Mat 13. In Mat 13, the angels (beings most often found in the spiritual realm) are doing the reaping. Now consider Paul's words in 1 Cor 15. He is borrowing the same analogy of a seed going into the ground then being raised.

5 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body...44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

"What you sow is not made alive unless it dies!!" Therefore you can't reap the harvest unless the seed first dies. Back to Rev 14. We have the blessed who are dead in the Lord, right?

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”

Notice the "from now on?" This refers to the way things will be after the next section which is the harvest.

14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

Thus this is the resurrection of the just and it happens BEFORE the wrath is poured out on the wicked, so you have the order correct, but it isn't the rapture, it's the resurrection in Rev 14 taking place before the GT. So, what about the rapture? They are blessed who die in the Lord from now on.