LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE - WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS?

[surfer14]

Ya I don't buy into dispensationalism either. I think most Christians do though. It feels like a christianity that's been infiltrated by people that ... aren't Christian.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Can anyone name a female pastor of any church anywhere that isn't preaching a woke gospel of gay-rights, equality, anti-racism, environmentalism, pro-immigration, etc Any of them that aren't into the prosperity gospel? Any that don't preach watered down Christianity?

I think what is happening is, people's own experiences and backgrounds are shaping their views of Jesus. Most of us know gays, immigrants even illegal immigrants, and minorities. This is different from the past where people kept to their own groups, or hid their identities. High schools, colleges, cities are more diverse now. So, the "woke" pastors may identify these groups as "persecuted" groups, especially if they volunteer and spend time with these groups. In their own interpretation they may view Jesus as a social justice/revolutionary Jesus (and they have Bible verses to support this). Another reason why pastors become more liberal is that they become pushed away by conservative Christians, so they become more liberal by default and want to disassociate themselves even more from other conservative views. For example, a liberal pastor might be upset at how conservatives can be oblivious/turn a blind eye to racism (for people who deny this, segregation? and racism did not magically end after desegregation). Similarly, a conservative pastor can't understand how liberal Christians can be silent on abortion and will disassociate themselves from other liberal views.

Where I live (near DC), most of the pastors are not traditionally conservative pastors. You have to go farther out, or go to a foreign church like a Korean church, to find a conservative pastor. I know a young female (white) pastor from Texas who fits all the elements you list. She grew up in a very conservative small town, which was previously segregated, and now she is very liberal in all aspects and has married a black man and even has performed gay marriages. She attends poetry circles and mingles with nonbelievers. She is very passionate about Jesus and her eyes lighten up when talking about Jesus.

Recently my pastor (who is African American single female) has been talking a lot about equality and racism because of current news. As my church is approximately half black (including a lot of African immigrants) and half all others (mostly white but also a few internationals), we had a "Difficult Conversations" virtual meeting on race relations and heard views from other members. When immigration stuff was on the news, she stated some things like God cares for everyone, we need to care for the least among us, we need to put ourselves in their shoes, etc (we also have a Hispanic congregation). Like many African-Americans, she is quite conservative on social issues, against gay marriage, but votes Democrat. Women pastors are also conscious of the fact that many men do not support women preaching, so they are attentive to these sensitivities. However, men who are against women pastors usually end up leaving these churches anyway, so it is not a contentious issue. My pastor grew up in a conservative African-American Baptist church, and is very passionate about Jesus, and her sermons are Biblical.

 

[Dino246]

Yes just as in all parables hiding the mysteries made known by the unseen faith Christ working in us. Faith as it is written must be mixed or lose out on the good new gospel. and forfeits the rest that makes our tribulations lighter.

(Purple) My added opinion


And I will put enmity ( opposing spirit between thee and the spirit of lies)and the woman (the church) , and between thy seed (flesh) and her seed; (Christ our husband the spiritual seed. Tt the incorruptible seed by which men are born again, the word of God ) it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his (our husband Christ) heel. Genesis 3:15

No, not parables, not mysteries, not unseen anything.

Literal childbirth, and literal pain.

 

[Dino246]

Phoebe a female wasn't a Deacon in the Church, that would be your adding to the scripture.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a man and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

I'm not adding anything. Phoebe is called a deacon in Romans 16:1. Do your homework instead of making accusations.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 does not use gender-specific language. The male gender is assumed by the translators. Only in verses 2 and 12 is gender obvious, and even there, the case of Phoebe makes the requirement for elders and deacons to be married to one, not more than one.

 

[Dino246]

Fair enough. But are you really interested in what the word of God says?

Yes, which is why I have studied this issue at length and I don't accept it when others quote verses out of context.

 

[Dino246]

The Holy Spirit does guide me, that's why you're now aware that the NIV book was created in part by a (Seasoned, Decorated, Lesbian Activist) Virginia Mollenkott, Seen Below

View attachment 219310

My, but you are being stupid.

Do your homework and stop posting debunked slander.

 

[Truth7t7]

I think what is happening is, people's own experiences and backgrounds are shaping their views of Jesus. Most of us know gays, immigrants even illegal immigrants, and minorities. This is different from the past where people kept to their own groups, or hid their identities. High schools, colleges, cities are more diverse now. So, the "woke" pastors may identify these groups as "persecuted" groups, especially if they volunteer and spend time with these groups. In their own interpretation they may view Jesus as a social justice/revolutionary Jesus (and they have Bible verses to support this). Another reason why pastors become more liberal is that they become pushed away by conservative Christians, so they become more liberal by default and want to disassociate themselves even more from other conservative views. For example, a liberal pastor might be upset at how conservatives can be oblivious/turn a blind eye to racism (for people who deny this, segregation? and racism did not magically end after desegregation). Similarly, a conservative pastor can't understand how liberal Christians can be silent on abortion and will disassociate themselves from other liberal views.

Where I live (near DC), most of the pastors are not traditionally conservative pastors. You have to go farther out, or go to a foreign church like a Korean church, to find a conservative pastor. I know a young female (white) pastor from Texas who fits all the elements you list. She grew up in a very conservative small town, which was previously segregated, and now she is very liberal in all aspects and has married a black man and even has performed gay marriages. She attends poetry circles and mingles with nonbelievers. She is very passionate about Jesus and her eyes lighten up when talking about Jesus.

Recently my pastor (who is African American single female) has been talking a lot about equality and racism because of current news. As my church is approximately half black (including a lot of African immigrants) and half all others (mostly white but also a few internationals), we had a "Difficult Conversations" virtual meeting on race relations and heard views from other members. When immigration stuff was on the news, she stated some things like God cares for everyone, we need to care for the least among us, we need to put ourselves in their shoes, etc (we also have a Hispanic congregation). Like many African-Americans, she is quite conservative on social issues, against gay marriage, but votes Democrat. Women pastors are also conscious of the fact that many men do not support women preaching, so they are attentive to these sensitivities. However, men who are against women pastors usually end up leaving these churches anyway, so it is not a contentious issue. My pastor grew up in a conservative African-American Baptist church, and is very passionate about Jesus, and her sermons are Biblical.

Standing for the truth of scripture in (Love)

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a (Man) and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not adding anything. Phoebe is called a deacon in Romans 16:1. Do your homework instead of making accusations.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 does not use gender-specific language. The male gender is assumed by the translators. Only in verses 2 and 12 is gender obvious, and even there, the case of Phoebe makes the requirement for elders and deacons to be married to one, not more than one.

Phoebe was a servant of the church in Romans 16:1

Romans 16:1KJV
16 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

 

[Truth7t7]

My, but you are being stupid.

Do your homework and stop posting debunked slander.

No slander whatsoever, Virginia Mollenkott worked on the NIV, she was a decorated Lesbian Activist.

You run from truth in false personal attacks, claiming slander.

The progressive liberals in the USA do the same, Racist, Racist, Racist to silence truth.

 

[Blik]

It's your biased opinion, words I'm using are against scripture.

looks like the liberal (Hate Speech) cops are hot on my trail, silence the truth, hide

Are you really Justin Trudeau?

Neither you or my understanding of scripture changes any truth. And being upset over it is useless.

I have to giggle a bit over who I am. Actually I am a woman so old I have lived 96 years. I have mothered three children, a model, an engineer, and a nurse. I live in my wheelchair in assisted living. I have also worked outside of the home at many different jobs, the most exciting was seven years at commercial fishing. My days for years have been spent in scripture study and painting with oils. I'm not very political but I am more republican than democrat.

 

[Susanna]

No slander whatsoever, Virginia Mollenkott worked on the NIV, she was a decorated Lesbian Activist.

You run from truth in false personal attacks, claiming slander.

The progressive liberals in the USA do the same, Racist, Racist, Racist to silence truth.

Pretty much the same technique you’re using to silence people here.

 

[Susanna]

Phoebe was a servant of the church in Romans 16:1

Romans 16:1KJV
16 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

Why do you believe that KJV is the only Bible in accordance with the original text? What about other languages than English? Aren’t their Bibles correct if they’re using words with a different meaning than the KJV?

 

[Truth7t7]

Neither you or my understanding of scripture changes any truth. And being upset over it is useless.

I have to giggle a bit over who I am. Actually I am a woman so old I have lived 96 years. I have mothered three children, a model, an engineer, and a nurse. I live in my wheelchair in assisted living. I have also worked outside of the home at many different jobs, the most exciting was seven years at commercial fishing. My days for years have been spent in scripture study and painting with oils. I'm not very political but I am more republican than democrat.

Ata Girl, big hug!

96 really, gotta love it!

I love fishing, go once a week in summer

What type of commercial fishing?

Loved your story!

 

[Truth7t7]

Why do you believe that KJV is the only Bible in accordance with the original text? What about other languages than English? Aren’t their Bibles correct if they’re using words with a different meaning than the KJV?

Great translations that follow the (Textus Receptus) Examples.

I read and speak Spanish, (Reina Valera Antigua) 1569/1602

(English-King James)

(Hungarian-Karoli)

(Italian-Diodati)

(French-Olivetan)

 

[Truth7t7]

Pretty much the same technique you’re using to silence people here.

The technique is using the (Sword) of God's truth, you can cry, kick, scream, and deny all ya want, but God's words stand true.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a (Man) and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[John146]

The NIV is accepted as scripture, you are an exception. The KJV was ordered by a homosexual, do you accept that version?

You are using ways of speaking that are clearly against scripture, is it OK for you to post such?

The NIV is accepted as scripture

 

[Lanolin]

I do recall Jesus scolded Martha for interrupting Mary who sat listening at Jesus feet. Mary wasnt saying anything, she was all ears, but Martha was loud and complaining.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The NIV is accepted as scripture, you are an exception. The KJV was ordered by a homosexual, do you accept that version?

1. The NIV is probably one of the worst English bible versions to come along. It cannot be considered Scripture, but a corruption of Scripture. Obviously you have not studied the matter.

2. How are you so certain that James I was a homosexual? But let's say that even if that is true, how does that affect the King James Bible, since James simply authorized this translation? He had no control on the translators, who were all godly men, and would have adamantly refused to alter the Bible on the whim of a king. They would sooner have become martyrs.

3. Have you personally evaluated the King James Bible and compared this translation to the Hebrew and Greek texts? This Bible was regarded as the Word of God by all English speaking peoples worldwide for over 300 years. That included conservative theologians, scholars, commentators, pastors, and evangelists. Just go to Bible Hub and check out all the commentaries.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Scofield was beyond a shady character...

That's what his enemies accuse him of. Christ's enemies also accused him of all kinds of evil things.

But you will not find anything shady in the original Scofield Reference Bible (which I have personally studied). Indeed Scofield made a valuable contribution to the proper interpretation of Scripture, even though he may have held some ideas with which other Christians will disagree (such as the Gap Theory of creation).

As to Dispensationalism, it is a legitimate and valuable method of Bible interpretation, since it takes the Bible in its plain literal sense, rather than manufacture allegorical interpretations.

 

[Susanna]

The technique is using the (Sword) of God's truth, you can cry, kick, scream, and deny all ya want, but God's words stand true.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a (Man) and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Why are you adding to my post? I didn’t ask for you to lecture me on this matter. Does this mean you add to Scripture as well?

I haven’t said a word about whether or not women should hold a position in the church. I have simply asked questions.

I have rarely been partaking in the BDF debates because my position is that the debating of theology is for the men, and that positions in the church should as a rule be held by men. Scripture is clear on that matter, but exceptions can be made if the situation is critical.

What I fail to comprehend is the excessive use of drama and anger when people don’t agree with you. You’re not divine, you’re just a random guy making aggressive comments on the internet.

Think about how you address others. I think Jesus have a few words for you on how to treat your neighbors, even in the KJV.