Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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Grac’r: So Jesus died for all sin?
Free Will’r: That’s right!
Grace’r: What about those in hell?
Free Will’r:
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I agree.....
He gives us the opportunity to receive Him. It’s our choice to do so or not.
Look what he said here
He gives us the opportunity to receive him.............seriously?
That is saying we can choose.....so he’s saying it’s our choice.
Completely 100% disagree with him.......
“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.” John 1:12-13
Your hatred blinds you from God’s Word.
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EleventhHour
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“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.” John 1:12-13
Your hatred blinds you from God’s Word.
Yes the speaks the nature of our salvation ... we receive. Amen
You choose a serial rapist to be part of your calvinist meme repertoire. Very interesting.Grace’r: So Jesus died for all sin?
Free Will’r: That’s right!
Grace’r: What about those in hell?
Free Will’r:
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eternally-gratefull
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He did not say he saved himself
So you are bearing false witness against him
he said he chose. Just like Abraham chose. Just like Adam chose and daniel
And all people before who chose salvation over condemnation
Choosing salvation in NO way saving yourself
Chose this day....
Repent....
Believe....
Become poor in spirit (literally bankrupt as the tax collector did)
All commands by God if anyone wants to
Enter his kingdom (family)
The tax collector Chose to get in his knees and cry out for gods mercy. He did not save himself By doing that
“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.” John 1:12-13
Your hatred blinds you from God’s Word.
I have no hatred in my heart.....it says who did receive him to those who believed in his name.
You said he gave you the opportunity to choose him...
He saved us..that’s when we received him into our hearts....you are very misguided and blinded from the truth.
I question your belief.
I know exactly what he said...and a few others see it as well....you can fluff it up as much as you like.
I thank God He knocks on the door, and for all who open the door, He will come in and dine with them. Revelation 3:20
But I digress, calvinism dictates we are forced to open the door or forced to not open it.
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EleventhHour
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“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.” John 1:12-13
It seems some are so insecure in their dogma so they mock and ridicule .... a dogma of exclusion and shutting people out of salvation
by a very false notion of total inability.... and yet why do people "suppress the truth in unrighteousness" (Romans) if they cannot respond to truth... I guess Calvin did not get that far in his schema.
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eternally-gratefull
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No he us Not right
You are being decieved. Any man with any humility would have asked. Why did you say here you did not chose god but there say you did. Did you make a mistake? Or did I misunderstand you
And arrogant proud Person sees the words. Refuses to get clarification. And attacks
but hey. If he is who you want to follow. Good luck. I will just pray you do not become like him. Which is what I am trying to help you with
Once again choosing God and choosing his gift are two different things
I can chose a persons gift and never chose them. I chose what they offered without even knowing who they are
I can not know who god really is UNTIL i
Am saved. This I have no capacity to chose god
But if you want to misinterpret my meaning and boast in it. Well that’s on you
Do you want to come to Columbus and Decide who is right by fighting also
Like your pal?
Yes, free willers have people in hell paying a debt for sin that Christ already paid for once, and offered it to the Father, and was accepted by the Father as payment in full for each of those sins.
Humans don't make this offering "valid" by choosing or accepting. We are not in the stead of the Father, He accepted it, and all the sins that were intended to be paid for were, and they are the sins of His people; Matthew 1:21.
If a person paid your utility bills, but the utility company didn't let you know it had been paid, and demanded you pay it, that is dishonest and crooked yet that is the position many have God in in their unfamiliarity of the atonement and propitiation, yes, even the Gospel itself.
He knows what Christ did paid their debt, and sends them to hell anyway? That scenario is a disgrace and blasphemous to the finished work of Christ on the cross, His death, burial, and resurrection.
Some people need to spend some time in the word and get some sound doctrine; 2 Timothy 4:1ff.
Humans don't make this offering "valid" by choosing or accepting. We are not in the stead of the Father, He accepted it, and all the sins that were intended to be paid for were, and they are the sins of His people; Matthew 1:21.
If a person paid your utility bills, but the utility company didn't let you know it had been paid, and demanded you pay it, that is dishonest and crooked yet that is the position many have God in in their unfamiliarity of the atonement and propitiation, yes, even the Gospel itself.
He knows what Christ did paid their debt, and sends them to hell anyway? That scenario is a disgrace and blasphemous to the finished work of Christ on the cross, His death, burial, and resurrection.
Some people need to spend some time in the word and get some sound doctrine; 2 Timothy 4:1ff.
You have an issue with her being my friend? That's sowing discord and division. I consider her my friend and sister, and she is correct in what she said.
What is this "fighting" nonsense you bring up?
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EleventhHour
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The payment needs to be received, they are in hell because they did not accept the payment.
You even rise up when I mention the fruit of the Spirit......the Holy Spirit resides in our hearts.....
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EleventhHour
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I remember a post about how "we" are perceived by others and how terrible we look...interesting.
You are my friend preacher..I agree it is sowing discord and division.....not nice EG.
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