Attacks on the Rapture: a popular pastime among some Christians

[Truth7t7]

That statement confirms that you do not really believe the Bible. The devil is a SPIRIT BEING, as are all angels, evil or good.

I agree 100%

Way out in "Left Field"!

 

[KJV1611]

You need help. I suggest a mentor. Seriously you really need help.

I suggest you bind that serpent in you before you tell me what to do.

 

[KJV1611]

@cv5
I would also do add get thee behind me Satan lol.

 

[KJV1611]

They called it the resurrection or at least being with the Lord. No one called the after death “the rapture.”

Christians don’t die. What do you mean by the “after death”?

 

[KJV1611]

How interesting. The word worm or worms is found EXACTLY 40 times in 33 verses in the KJV.

For those who are interested, worms, like serpents, have shapes similar to DNA and are dirt dwellers.

I found these other interesting things about worms in the KJV.

Job 7:5 My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome.
Jobs FLESH is clothed with WORMS- DNA.

Job 25:6 (KJV) How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
Man, which IS A WORM. The son of man (Jesus) is a worm, born after a woman.

Psa 22:6 (KJV) But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Jesus is a worm, a reproach of men and despised by the people.

Isa 66:24 (KJV) And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Holy crap! The worm (human DNA) NEVER DIES in those that have transgressed against the Lord. That means that in hell, these people will be STUCK in human DNA for ETERNITY. Wow!

There’s tons more, I suggest everyone who is interested in this, do a KJV search on worm and worms. Fascinating!

 

[Truth7t7]

How interesting. The word worm or worms is found EXACTLY 40 times in 33 verses in the KJV.

For those who are interested, worms, like serpents, have shapes similar to DNA and are dirt dwellers.

I found these other interesting things about worms in the KJV.

Job 7:5 My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome.
Jobs FLESH is clothed with WORMS- DNA.

Job 25:6 (KJV) How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
Man, which IS A WORM. The son of man (Jesus) is a worm, born after a woman.

Psa 22:6 (KJV) But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Jesus is a worm, a reproach of men and despised by the people.

Isa 66:24 (KJV) And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Holy crap! The worm (human DNA) NEVER DIES in those that have transgressed against the Lord. That means that in hell, these people will be STUCK in human DNA for ETERNITY. Wow!

There’s tons more, I suggest everyone who is interested in this, do a KJV search on worm and worms. Fascinating!

He'll being stuck in human DNA?

Your doctrine isnt in "Left Field" it's not in the ball park, (SAD)

 

[KJV1611]

He'll being stuck in human DNA?

Your doctrine isnt in "Left Field" it's not in the ball park, (SAD)

It seems that way to you because your worm isn’t dead yet. Kill the worm and the scales will be removed from your eyes.

 

[DorothyMae]

Christians don’t die. What do you mean by the “after death”?

What comes after one dies is after death.

 

[Truth7t7]

It seems that way to you because your worm isn’t dead yet. Kill the worm and the scales will be removed from your eyes.

I dont have a worm as you falsely claim, that's reserved for the wicked.

Isaiah 66:24KJV
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44-45KJV
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

 

[KJV1611]

What comes after one dies is after death.

We as believer’s are translated out of this body prior to the death of the body. This is what Paul is talking about when he says “the dead in Christ” shall rise first, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up to be with Lord.

The Old Testament didn’t experience death either, they were translated like Enoch and Elijah BUT they couldn’t be caught up to be with the Lord forever because Christ hadn’t prepared a place for them yet.

The Old Testament saints went to Abraham’s Bosom to wait for the death of Christ. After his death, they were raised from the old heaven and went to the place Christ prepared for them and us, the new heaven.

The more I debate this subject, the more it is apparent to me that the raising of the dead has nothing to do with the raising of this body of death but it has to do with the raising of the Old Testament saints from the old heaven to the new heaven. We bypass that step, we go straight to the new heaven just prior to the death of this body.

For some reason people think that this dead body is some how needed in order to create the new body. I have no idea why this is the belief. What are your thoughts, is this body of death needed to help create our new heavenly bodies?

 

[KJV1611]

I dont have a worm as you falsely claim, that's reserved for the wicked.

Isaiah 66:24KJV
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44-45KJV
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

We all have worms. Worms is symbolic of human DNA. We are all of our Father the devil. The devil is also symbolic of DNA.

The 46 chromosomes are what create “the old man”. That old man is supposed to be crucified with Christ. When the old man has finally been put to death, we enter the millennial reign where the serpent is bound and can’t deceive us anymore.

 

[Truth7t7]

We all have worms. Worms is symbolic of human DNA. We are all of our Father the devil. The devil is also symbolic of
Isaiah 66:24KJV
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Mark 9:44-45KJV
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
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The 46 chromosomes are what create “the old man”. That old man is supposed to be crucified with Christ. When the old man has finally been put to death, we enter the millennial reign where the serpent is bound and can’t deceive us anymore.

I'm a christian, and your claim the devil is my father is false and(SICK)!

We all have worms. Worms is symbolic of human DNA. We are all of our Father the devil. The devil is also symbolic of DNA.

The 46 chromosomes are what create “the old man”. That old man is supposed to be crucified with Christ. When the old man has finally been put to death, we enter the millennial reign where the serpent is bound and can’t deceive us anymore.

Your claim is false and sick, the devil isnt the father of believing Christians.

 

[KJV1611]

I'm a christian, and your claim the devil is my father is false and(SICK)!
Your claim is false and sick, the devil isnt the father of believing Christians.

Didn’t Jesus tell us that we need to HATE our father? Do you hate your biological father? I hope not.

 

[Truth7t7]

Didn’t Jesus tell us that we need to HATE our father? Do you hate your biological father? I hope not.

The scripture says no such thing, Jesus made no such a quote!

Your false claims are contrary to scripture, your disregard of the Holy Scripture as seen below has no end.

Matthew 15:3-6KJV
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

 

[KJV1611]

The scripture says no such thing, Jesus made no such a quote!

Your false claims are contrary to scripture, your disregard of the Holy Scripture as seen below has no end.

Matthew 15:3-6KJV
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Sorry but your wrong again.

Luk 14:26 (KJV) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry but your wrong again.

Luk 14:26 (KJV) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I stand corrected

"Hate" is symbolic of having those mentioned as being secondary to Jesus Christ including the believers own life.

 

[KJV1611]

I stand corrected

"Hate" is symbolic of having those mentioned as being secondary to Jesus Christ including the believers own life.

Do you really expect to come to the truth by changing Gods word to fit your doctrine?

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry but your wrong again.

Luk 14:26 (KJV) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I stand corrected

"Hate" is symbolic of having those mentioned as being secondary to Jesus Christ including the believers own life, as Matthew used the word "Forsaken" and wealth was included "Houses" & "Land"

Matthew 19:26KJV
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

I believe and hope in the rapture. I look forward to it each day and work towards achieving success in that time.

 

[Batyah]

PART I

When you do an internet search for attacks on the doctrine of the Rapture, you will come up with at least a dozen attacks (if not more). Some examples are shown below:

1. The United Church of God (UCG): ‘The rapture, often called "the blessed hope," is sadly more hoax than hope, even though the man who started it had no intention of deceiving anyone. You need to know what the Bible actually says!’
2. www.bible.ca: ‘Rapture doctrine did not exist before John Darby invented it in 1830 AD. Before it "popped into John Darby's head" no one had ever heard of a secret rapture doctrine.’
3. www.endtimesprophecy.org: ‘There is a teaching today that is rife within the Christian world, called the rapture. What is the rapture theory? It is believed by those who hold to this theory (and there are MANY who do), that the "church" will be raptured away to heaven and then the earth will continue for a period of seven years (called the tribulation) in which the inhabitants of the earth will be plunged into a time of great trouble and strife (more so than now). So according to this teaching there is a separation to take place between the saved and the lost BEFORE the end of the world.’
4. Sheffield Chapel (a Second Advent church): ‘We disagree with the doctrine of the secret rapture on exegetical grounds (it is nowhere to be found in Scripture… anywhere…)’

There are many more similar attacks which are either ill-informed, or malicious, or plain ignorant. And on exegetical grounds, no one could possibly deny this doctrine. So every Christian should know that a plain study of the Bible – apart from anything written for or against the Pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church – is sufficient to establish this as a very important and critical Christian doctrine.

1. THE REASON FOR THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE
Before we even study the relevant passages, we need to ask ourselves “What exactly is the reason for the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints?” And unless we clearly understand God’s plan of salvation in Christ, we will not understand why the Resurrection/Rapture is critical.

We read in Romans 8:29,30: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

While sanctification is not mentioned here, we know from the New Testament that God’s plan of salvation includes (1) justification, (2) sanctification, and (3) glorification. And the opponents of the Rapture conveniently forget that the saints must be glorified, and receive incorruptible, immortal, and glorified bodies, before they enter Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb. Therefore the Resurrection/Rapture is a single event before the Second Coming of Christ.

2. CHRIST PRESENTED THE RAPTURE BEFORE HIS CRUCIFIXION
Enemies of the Rapture also conveniently forget that it was not John Nelson Darby in the 19th century but the Lord Jesus Christ is 30 AD, who first presented the doctrine of the Rapture to his apostles before His crucifixion. Which means that all the attacks on Darby and Scofield are bogus. And when misguided people call this a “theory” they are making Christ out to be a liar.

JOHN 14:1-3: THE RAPTURE OF THE SAINTS TO HEAVEN
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The key phrase here is “I will come again and receive you unto myself”. While this was first addressed to the apostles, it has general application to all the saints, since the apostles died as martyrs, and Christ did not come back from Heaven in the first century to take them up to Heaven. As we can see from the martyrdom of Stephen, Christ remained in Heaven and received the soul and spirit of Stephen upon his death (Acts 7).

You said "The key phrase here is “I will come again and receive you unto myself”. "

The key phrase is: "...that where I am there you may be also."

Where? Here.
He ascended to Heaven and will descend from Heaven to earth with our 'reward' in tow. We will be joined with Him, that where He is we shall be with Him forever.
It does NOT say that that place is up in Heaven.
Acts 7 does NOT say that Stephen's soul and spirit were received into Heaven. YOU added that.
It says that before he died Stephen SAW Christ in Heaven and he prayed that God receives his spirit, just as Christ prayed.
The Spirit of Life and Breath from God that animated him, gave him life, returned to from whence it came.
Then it says he fell asleep. He died. He is in the grave where he will remain until the Lord's Day, when Christ will return to earth to establish His kingdom and will resurrect and gather Israel unto Himself.