None that I am aware of in his epistles. He did say "I do not permit' in certain instances but in others he omitted that phrase.
LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE - WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS?
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All the isms have already been said, how revolting.
The Bible is pugilist (dont even know what that means, but lets go with it), misogynist, patriarchic(thats a word now), against animal rights, pro-slavery. (even NT Paul returns a slave to his owner, read Philemon)
if you dont like it, too bad. You gotta write your own holy book then. Cause the Bible says what it says no matter HOW we try to twist and turn it
You just cant make the Bible magically turn into some modern European (or American) nation's constitution with equality and these rights and that rights. Just not there. Quote Jesus all day every day about loving your neighbor and ALL THAT, loving your neighbor is from the OT, the same book of Moses that allowed for slavery, beating of slaves, the whole thing.
The Bible is against what is called "human rights" today, which is why:
1. Atheists and unbelievers mock it and say its outdated or not true.
2. Christians are ashamed of the Bible and try to twist and turn and make excuses for what it says. When it ssomething they dont like its "cultural context" "back in those days" "thats the OT" "thats just Moses'/Paul's/whoevers opinion. EXCUSES abound, BUT if its something they like and want to push, then its the INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD, AAAMENN brother, the VERY Word of God.
My solution for 1. and 2. when talking with them is to say "Yup, Amen. Thats what it says, what other great verses would you like to talk about?"
Most people are SHOCKED when you tell em that, as they are used to Christians being cowards who try to explain away verses the world doesnt like. Losers is what you call them folks.
The Bible is pugilist (dont even know what that means, but lets go with it), misogynist, patriarchic(thats a word now), against animal rights, pro-slavery. (even NT Paul returns a slave to his owner, read Philemon)
if you dont like it, too bad. You gotta write your own holy book then. Cause the Bible says what it says no matter HOW we try to twist and turn it
You just cant make the Bible magically turn into some modern European (or American) nation's constitution with equality and these rights and that rights. Just not there. Quote Jesus all day every day about loving your neighbor and ALL THAT, loving your neighbor is from the OT, the same book of Moses that allowed for slavery, beating of slaves, the whole thing.
The Bible is against what is called "human rights" today, which is why:
1. Atheists and unbelievers mock it and say its outdated or not true.
2. Christians are ashamed of the Bible and try to twist and turn and make excuses for what it says. When it ssomething they dont like its "cultural context" "back in those days" "thats the OT" "thats just Moses'/Paul's/whoevers opinion. EXCUSES abound, BUT if its something they like and want to push, then its the INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD, AAAMENN brother, the VERY Word of God.
My solution for 1. and 2. when talking with them is to say "Yup, Amen. Thats what it says, what other great verses would you like to talk about?"
Most people are SHOCKED when you tell em that, as they are used to Christians being cowards who try to explain away verses the world doesnt like. Losers is what you call them folks.
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kaylagrl
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Why are you commenting on human rights and the views of the worldly? I don't see where anyone has appealed to the opinions of the unregenerate in making their statements.
When we read in scripture that is truth, Paul was made a disciple by the Lord. Paul speaks what the Lord tells him. The problem is to understand Paul.
Paul wrote a letter to a church where women were disrupting the service so it ruined that church and Paul told them to stop it and be silent. Paul was not telling women who were not disrupting church and lived 2,000 years later to be silent. We know this because Paul speaks of women who helped him spread the gospel, he approved of them, and they were not silent.
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lenna
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non sequitor
the very fact he does say it is his opinion indicates that he does not think so of other things he wrote
1 Corinthians 14:34? You may want to read that as well as 2 Timothy 2:15.
The other text you allude to (1 Timothy 2:12) isn't merely Paul's "opinion." Your take on said text shows an unfamiliarity with NT doctrine and biblical language.
Yes as he was quoting the Lord. Are you saying all the other writings of Paul are his opinions?
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God has made his will known that he wants daughters and handmaidens to prophesy. Acts 2:28-29 They did it on the day of Pentecost and there were men present. They did it in Phillips house when Paul and Luke were there.
They do it today and the Holy Spirit inspires them and those who say they shouldn't are not interpreting scripture correctly.
The idea of trying to stop a woman who is preaching or prophesying because she is female is ludicrous and should be so obvious to one who has the Holy Spirit that I would doubt they are even saved. They are just religious like a Pharisee. They think they have the scripture to support them like the Pharisees did when they thought the scripture was on their side when they forbid healing on the sabbath day. But they were wrong. They did not have the heart of love and mercy and were harshly misinterpreting the sabbath laws. Today we have people thinking God is not pleased with a woman preaching the Bible because she is female. They do not know God. But they will soon find out and they will fall on their face in shame and horror.
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I love this guy! LOL! Man, it's so refreshing to hear someone not trying to water down Christianity to make it more acceptable to a world that hates Jesus. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.
Myrtle,
Your husband must be pretty awesome. I'm sure he is a very high tier man in order to snag a woman like you. I'm not kidding. Keep on honoring God and him through your actions.
Nothing is worse than an endlessly yapping woman. So tiresome. Be different. Follow that narrow path.
I wonder how many people ever read the first four words and realized the importance of them.
LET THE WOMAN LEARN in silence.
LET THE WOMAN LEARN in silence.
then every preach will about how fall in love with Jesus
But Miriam is.
Micah 6:4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.
So the redeemed in the OT were led by two men and a woman.
Who are the redeemed in the NT? Or does God change His principles?
I've personally never said anything in church, nor do I care about positions or roles. I'd only say something if God laid something really big on me to preach.
That being said to state where I stand, the ad hominem, un-Christian words I read on this types of threads from men (and even heartbreakingly women) get really appalling, statements such as, most women are "yapping endlessly" that I've read just a few posts ago.
What is it driving their spirits so intensely, that these people make it their mission to shut wives of OTHER MEN up. Sorry but it's not even in your authority, she's given to another man and you have no say unless she's disturbing church service in which case you again have no say but the pastor does (which is the only reason Paul stepped in as the overseer). So these guys are the ironically the ones usurping authority. They want to put others down so bad I guess to make themselves elevated. It comes out sometimes they will slip in the word they use, that they are coming from a place of hatred and not orderliness.
I know what is written. May people Think different. Finaly I dont Think that God is judging someone who believes what he has revealed.